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Re: OT - United Healthcare Dropping Doctors

Post by PST » Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:56 am

Janknitz wrote:Medicare Advantage plans were reimbursed around 12% more than traditional Medicare plans. This was a Clinton AND Bush era plan to entice people to go to HMOs (HMOs were to use the extra money to provide things like optical, dental, and gym memberships to get more members) which was thought to be a more economical delivery system. The idea was that these incentives should have gone away a long time ago, but lobbying prevented that until now. So UHP isn't going to suffer a loss of profits, they cut corners on more expensive care.

If you are losing your trusted health care provider and you want to change to traditional Medicare or a different HMO, contact your local SHIP/HICAP office for FREE counseling to evaluate plans. The number is on the back of your Medicare and You book.
In this connection, it is useful to note that the Yale Medical Group still takes ordinary Medicare. It is just being dropped by this Medicare Advantage plan. There is no reason that the government should pay more for these plans than for regular Medicare. If using a for-profit company as an intermediary really increased efficiency, then no subsidy would be needed. The planned cut is to equalize cost of Advantage plans with regular Medicare.

It sounds suspiciously as if some companies are reducing the number of doctors who specialize in particularly expensive illnesses in order to induce patients facing above-average costs to get out of their risk pools and into someone else's.

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Re: OT - United Healthcare Dropping Doctors

Post by Janknitz » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:34 pm

It sounds suspiciously as if some companies are reducing the number of doctors who specialize in particularly expensive illnesses in order to induce patients facing above-average costs to get out of their risk pools and into someone else's.
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Re: OT - United Healthcare Dropping Doctors

Post by chunkyfrog » Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:18 pm

I have not renewed my membership in AARP--they are so very, very commercial!
Their partnership with UHC was my first clue.
That company was the very, very, WORST insurance I ever had before retirement
--even worse than when we had NO insurance at all.

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Re: OT - United Healthcare Dropping Doctors

Post by JDS74 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:20 pm

PST wrote:There is no reason that the government should pay more for these plans than for regular Medicare. .... The planned cut is to equalize cost of Advantage plans with regular Medicare.
Folks who opted for MedicareAdvantage are paying extra for the extra coverage and now they don't get it.

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Re: OT - United Healthcare Dropping Doctors

Post by chunkyfrog » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:01 pm

Thank you, Granny. I'll check that out.

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Re: OT - United Healthcare Dropping Doctors

Post by idamtnboy » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:12 pm

ChicagoGranny wrote: A very good alternative to AARP - http://amac.us/
Looks like a great organization for conservative Republican seniors who would rather not have their opinions and beliefs challenged!

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Re: OT - United Healthcare Dropping Doctors

Post by woodworkerjunkie » Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:34 pm

idamtnboy wrote:
ChicagoGranny wrote: A very good alternative to AARP - http://amac.us/
Looks like a great organization for conservative Republican seniors who would rather not have their opinions and beliefs challenged!
AARP is for Democrats what AMAC is for Republicans!

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Re: OT - United Healthcare Dropping Doctors

Post by NateS » Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:23 am

JDS74 wrote:
PST wrote:There is no reason that the government should pay more for these plans than for regular Medicare. .... The planned cut is to equalize cost of Advantage plans with regular Medicare.
Folks who opted for MedicareAdvantage are paying extra for the extra coverage and now they don't get it.
How are you "paying extra for the extra coverage"? - Have you made a side-by-side comparison of:

Real Medicare+a Medigap Supplement -vs- Medicare Advantage?

Medicare Advantage has almost always been a ripoff compared to getting Genuine Medicare + a Medigap Supplement.

The private insurance companies selling Medical (Dis)Advantage rip off the patients by controlling what doctors and hospitals and what procedures you can have; and then they turn around and also rip off all the taxpayers by getting a subsidy (corporate welfare) from the government every year for every policy they have written!

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Re: OT - United Healthcare Dropping Doctors

Post by ChicagoGranny » Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:36 am

woodworkerjunkie wrote: AARP is for Democrats what AMAC is for Republicans!

AARP is for seniors who want to take the labor of our youth to pay for seniors' lifestyle and poor choices.

AARP is for anyone who wants to put their head in the sand and not deal with the crises in Medicare and Social Security.

AARP is for seniors who rail about Washington lobbyists but love having their own Washington lobbyist to rob our youth and rob future generations.
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Re: OT - United Healthcare Dropping Doctors

Post by LSAT » Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:37 am

RogerSC wrote:I have a medicare supplement plan (medigap) through UHC/AARP, and am not seeing these changes. Just thought I'd mention it in case an alternative would help. You still have a couple of days to switch your medicare insurance provider, maybe something to look into.

I also have the AARP plan...The main change I noticed this year is that they are now considered an HMO and you can only use the physicians in their plan.(In Network). In previous years you could use out-of-network physicians with a larger co-pay...now they will not pay anything to an out-of-network physician. (Coverage varies by state).

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Re: OT - United Healthcare Dropping Doctors

Post by chunkyfrog » Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:57 am

I checked out both senior organizations, and given those choices, I choose to pass on both.

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Re: OT - United Healthcare Dropping Doctors

Post by 49er » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:03 am

chunkyfrog wrote:I checked out both senior organizations, and given those choices, I choose to pass on both.
Totally agree chunkyfrog. My answer was none of the above.

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Re: OT - United Healthcare Dropping Doctors

Post by chunkyfrog » Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:38 am

Medicare "Advantage" may have been a good deal when it started;
but it has undergone a systematic "bait and switch" process, gradually removing the "advantage" portion.
Anyone too lazy to have their coverage re-evaluated each year is ripe for fleecing. BEWARE!

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Re: OT - United Healthcare Dropping Doctors

Post by ems » Wed Dec 04, 2013 2:36 pm

I don't always agree with AARP... however, AMAC is for those people who think and vote Republican.

If it's affordable, Medicare + a supplement is the way to go. Seeing a physician you choose to see (not someone you are told you must see) is paramount.
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Re: OT - United Healthcare Dropping Doctors

Post by Janknitz » Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:15 pm

AARP was one of the primary lobby groups responsible for the mess that was the original Medicare Part D coverage with the doughnut hole. I REFUSE to join AARP or support them, despite proudly wearing my bleeding heart liberal democrat badge!
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