Relationship between O2 reduction in atmosphere to apnea

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Relationship between O2 reduction in atmosphere to apnea

Post by purple » Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:51 am

As CO2 goes up, the O2 in the air goes down. Not to mention how blocked up my lungs have gotten during the years from pollen to contamination.

Any comments?

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Re: Relationship between O2 reduction in atmosphere to apnea

Post by JDS74 » Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:43 am

purple wrote:As CO2 goes up, the O2 in the air goes down. Any comments?
I think the basic premise is incorrect.
Here is a table of the percentages of various gases in out atmosphere. Notice how small the percentage of CO2 is.

Composition of Dry Air Substance % by volume
Nitrogen, N2 78.08%
Oxygen, O2 20.95%
Argon, Ar 0.93%
Carbon dioxide, CO2 0.033%
Neon, Ne 0.0018%
Helium, He 0.00052%
and a really tiny percentage of some other gaseous compounds.
Ref: http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/pdf/AirGas.pdf

When CO2 increases, plants grow faster and emit higher volumes of O2 Oxygen so the level of oxygen in the atmosphere as a percentage of the total atmospheric gases may just increase a little and not decrease.

On the other hand, the levels of pollen in the air will probably increase somewhat as the pollen creating plants grow faster and your issues with allergic congestion may well get worse.

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Re: Relationship between O2 reduction in atmosphere to apnea

Post by Todzo » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:24 am

purple wrote:As CO2 goes up, the O2 in the air goes down. Not to mention how blocked up my lungs have gotten during the years from pollen to contamination.

Any comments?
JDS74 puts the matter in good perspective from the "what is actually there" stanpoint.

Is it possible that the actual problem is that you breath so much that your CO2 levels cause reduced metabolism?
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Re: Relationship between O2 reduction in atmosphere to apnea

Post by Goofproof » Sat Nov 23, 2013 10:49 am

purple wrote:As CO2 goes up, the O2 in the air goes down. Not to mention how blocked up my lungs have gotten during the years from pollen to contamination.

Any comments?
And how do you propose to change this fact, maybe turn off your car and uncessary lights, plant trees, fruit and nuts to help the food supply.

Don't buy or use items you can do without, you don't have to live like the Jones. If you can't live with these ideals, you will have to do with less O2. Jim
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Post by Sludge » Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:12 pm

purple wrote:As CO2 goes up, the O2 in the air goes down.
From the perspective of the lung, that's EXACTLY what happens.

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Re: Relationship between O2 reduction in atmosphere to apnea

Post by purple » Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:26 pm

you guys have not read all the background info. While the reduction in O2 is small, it has something to do with my using sleep apnea equipment. That as I age, the closer I get with lung issues and heart problems, a one percent reduction in O2 is important to me, might not be important to a young health person, or the companies which sell autos and gasoline. Altho I would point more at the pollution turned out in China and other third world country.

Actually CO2 is also being dissolved into the oceans, Creating changes in the Oceans. So the amount of CO2 and the reduction of O2 is not a straight one for one correspondence. If the plants, trees, and such were getting rid of the CO2 we would not need to be concerned about global warming, which is reputed to be the factor in unstable weather. it is not just we had a big hurricane blow ashore in New Jersey, or a Katrina, or the Typhoon that recently hit the Philippines. It is the frequency with which odd weather things occur, like the floods in Boulder Colorado.

I just wanted to consider how it effects creating sleep apnea, as we have to suck in more air as we sleep as children, and a lower O2 makes our lungs and heart to work harder.

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Re: Relationship between O2 reduction in atmosphere to apnea

Post by BlackSpinner » Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:28 pm

purple wrote:you guys have not read all the background info. While the reduction in O2 is small, it has something to do with my using sleep apnea equipment. That as I age, the closer I get with lung issues and heart problems, a one percent reduction in O2 is important to me, might not be important to a young health person, or the companies which sell autos and gasoline. Altho I would point more at the pollution turned out in China and other third world country.

Actually CO2 is also being dissolved into the oceans, Creating changes in the Oceans. So the amount of CO2 and the reduction of O2 is not a straight one for one correspondence. If the plants, trees, and such were getting rid of the CO2 we would not need to be concerned about global warming, which is reputed to be the factor in unstable weather. it is not just we had a big hurricane blow ashore in New Jersey, or a Katrina, or the Typhoon that recently hit the Philippines. It is the frequency with which odd weather things occur, like the floods in Boulder Colorado.

I just wanted to consider how it effects creating sleep apnea, as we have to suck in more air as we sleep as children, and a lower O2 makes our lungs and heart to work harder.
Unless you plan to move to the very high mountains over 9000 ft you are quite safe. Most Co2 is moving up into the high atmosphere or into the oceans. There is NOT a reduction n O2.

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Post by Goofproof » Sat Nov 23, 2013 10:19 pm

BlackSpinner is correct, Matter can't be destroyed, only changed. As far as Co2 and O2 in the air supply, Green plants take in CO2, and release O2 into the air, the Carbon is locked up in the plant matter until it's burned.

Mother nature will take care of it's self, we have a fossil fuel problem, we are releasing millions of years worth of stored up energy, putting CO2 back into the air where it was years ago.

The solution isn't to tax users, it's to use Green plant growth to convert the CO2 back to useful products and more fuel. Mother nature does this with rot and forrest fires. The real problem is overpopulation, for that our solution is starvation and war, until nature can find a more permanent solution to overpopulation. The governments answer to problems are print more worthless money and throw that, at the problem, while lining the 5% that run the world's pockets.

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Post by Todzo » Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:59 am

BlackSpinner wrote: Unless you plan to move to the very high mountains over 9000 ft you are quite safe. Most Co2 is moving up into the high atmosphere or into the oceans. There is NOT a reduction n O2.
N2 and O2 are much lighter than CO2 so how can it be that much CO2 is high in our atmosphere?
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Post by Steve of Cornubia » Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:23 am

Apparently, anthropogenic (human induced) global warming is a 'fact' because the 'science' has reached a 'consensus' and anybody who does not accept this as fact is denying the science. Anything else, not supported by the 'scientific consensus" can be dismissed.

So before I spend much time thinking about your statement, I would like to see the source of your information. Please reference the journals it has been published in.

Just kidding. But seriously, you have to question EVERYTHING you read nowadays, especially if the writer is presenting something so scary that we should act upon right now. The 'buy it now' tactic has been employed by shonky salesmen for millenia.

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Re: Relationship between O2 reduction in atmosphere to apnea

Post by purple » Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:30 am

If gasping for breath as a baby and child helps to keep our jaws from growing forward and wider, which contributes to sleep apnea. Perhaps we can say that current levels of CO2, and O2 will not contribute enough to that much matter. ON the other hand, is it possible that by adding a bit of O2 to children's rooms at night, their jaws would grow in a configuration to help reduce the probability that they will develop sleep apnea.

If you are thinking of arguing against global warming, then I suggest that the resource you are looking for is, "State of Fear," (2004) by Michael Crichton who can illustrate his own opinion better than I.

For me, as I see a Cardiologist, I have to think of ways to maximize my treatment, improve my quality of life. Some who have posted on this topic do not seem to have the same urgent imperative that I have to try to figure out what to do to improve the limited area around me.

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Re: Relationship between O2 reduction in atmosphere to apnea

Post by SleepyBobR » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:32 am

purple wrote:...ON the other hand, is it possible that by adding a bit of O2 to children's rooms at night, their jaws would grow in a configuration to help reduce the probability that they will develop sleep apnea?
As there appears to be no connection between these things, I highly doubt it.

As for globull warming, I wish they'd get on with it after all the talk. It's too cold up here.

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Post by BlackSpinner » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:56 am

purple wrote:If gasping for breath as a baby and child helps to keep our jaws from growing forward and wider, which contributes to sleep apnea. Perhaps we can say that current levels of CO2, and O2 will not contribute enough to that much matter. ON the other hand, is it possible that by adding a bit of O2 to children's rooms at night, their jaws would grow in a configuration to help reduce the probability that they will develop sleep apnea.
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So have you seen difference in people who grew up in the mountains in Peru and ones who grew up near the coast? Because there isn't any in the jaw shapes. And there is a lot more difference in O2 levels between coast and mountains then in the stuff you are talking about.

Note I was born and spent the first years of my life at or below sea level and it made no difference to my getting OSA.

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Re: Relationship between O2 reduction in atmosphere to apnea

Post by chunkyfrog » Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:58 am

There has been some discussion of other factors influencing juvenile jaw development.
The ones that speak to my logic are bottle vs breast nursing and
soft processed food vs raw, chewy foods.
We could also look at posture; walking upright, crouching over keyboards,
or habitual defensive posture in violent surroundings.

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Re: Relationship between O2 reduction in atmosphere to apnea

Post by bwexler » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:40 am

I heard a rumor that there was global cooling a few years ago. Then the dinosaurs went extinct. Then there was global warming and the ice that covered much of North America melted. Then there was flooding in many of those areas.
Al told me all of these events were caused by man disturbing the balance of nature.

Back in the 1970s I think I heard about global cooling an the begining of the onset of another ice age.

It seems there is a salesman available to provide statistics to support what ever it is he is trying to sell.

If you want or need more O2, plant some trees, get an O2 concentrator or just move down to the beach.

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