Can rapid awakening pulse be caused by vivid dreams or gerd?

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Re: Can rapid awakening pulse be caused by vivid dreams or gerd?

Post by old dude » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:41 am

CarpeNoctum wrote:Old Dude,
And while I'm sure you're aware of this, but just to provide the info for readers. Atrial flutter, PAT and other atrial arrythmias are irregular while a rapid pulse from an adrenal surge or central apnea would be rapid but regular.
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Indeed. The only type of arrhythmia that I can feel are PVCs, which can come with or without accompanying tachycardia. I was not aware of any PVCs at the time.

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Re: Can rapid awakening pulse be caused by vivid dreams or gerd?

Post by old dude » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:54 am

jnk wrote:
old dude wrote: . . . I was in the middle of a very vivid dream. Not a nightmare per se, but I was having a somewhat contentious discussion with some government bureaucrat. . . .
That meets my definition of "nightmare."

Just sayin'.

Anything can happen once or twice for any number of reasons. Such an event without the context of medical history, family history, and direct observation may or may not have significance.

Your body may have noticed something about your state at that moment that made the body think there was a reason to pump some panic-juice into you at that instant. Your body may have been right. Your body may have been wrong. If the body THOUGHT you were having an obstructive event, for example, even if you weren't, the body/brain is fully capable of hitting the panic button to get you from sleep to fight-or-flight. If the dream changed your breathing, your body may have overreacted. May.

But it happens for reasons completely unrelated to sleep-breathing, so any deeper meaning might only be found in an interaction with your doc if the "problem" happens often and disturbs you significantly.

In my opinion as nobody medical.
And herein lies the likely solution, that is to see if it begins happening regularly and then seek out medical attention if it does.

I have a fairly orderly mind and always attempt to isolate variables when looking for cause and effect relationships to health issues.

Back in January when I was diagnosed with Atrial Flutter I tried this very technique, and presented my cardiologist with every possible cause I had read about in search of an answer as to what caused the problem. Imagine my dismay when he answered that he didn't know; it could have been any of those things he said, or something else altogether. My dismay only grew when I pressed him harder for at least a studied opinion, to which he responded that I might wish to consult the Dionne Warwick Psychic Hotline. Really happened!

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Re: Can rapid awakening pulse be caused by vivid dreams or gerd?

Post by Julie » Thu Nov 07, 2013 12:26 pm

I wonder if your doctor thought he'd withhold a cause until he'd investigated the problem, done some tests, etc., rather than just guessing (with nothing much to go on yet) which cause on your internet list might be the trouble? He knows the causes of A fib, doesn't need to be reminded, but without testing an individual, how can he choose which cause it might be? ]

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Re: Can rapid awakening pulse be caused by vivid dreams or gerd?

Post by old dude » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:16 pm

Julie wrote:I wonder if your doctor thought he'd withhold a cause until he'd investigated the problem, done some tests, etc., rather than just guessing (with nothing much to go on yet) which cause on your internet list might be the trouble? He knows the causes of A fib, doesn't need to be reminded, but without testing an individual, how can he choose which cause it might be? ]
Julie, it's just a guess but I think he really didn't know for sure and didn't want to get out on a limb. At a later visit he finally did say that given all my risk factors he was ordering a sleep study and the rest is history-so I tried to overlook his rather poor comedic timing. I mean, I'm sitting there scared poopless and he's doing his impersonation of Carrot Top? He did mysteriously leave the practice shortly thereafter. I just don't think his bedside manner played well in this part of the country.

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Re: Can rapid awakening pulse be caused by vivid dreams or gerd?

Post by jnk » Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:00 pm

A doc only cares about the cause when knowing that helps determine the treatment.

Docs diagnose and prescribe. They leave unrelated (to them, anyway) details to others. Docs may at times offer info for you to file under "hey, why not try doing blah, blah, blah to see if that helps". They may even have a handout or two full of such common-sense suggestions of what has helped other patients for some unknown reason. But these days, we have the internet for that sort of thing. So docs mostly just diagnose and prescribe, as they were taught in doc-thought 101.

Docs who admit their limitations, and the limitations of the science, are my favorite kind of docs. I like talking to the guy behind the curtain instead of the blown-up image with sound effects on the big screen.

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Re: Can rapid awakening pulse be caused by vivid dreams or gerd?

Post by Julie » Thu Nov 07, 2013 2:03 pm

"and didn't want to get out on a limb" - that does sound about par for the course!

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Re: Can rapid awakening pulse be caused by vivid dreams or gerd?

Post by Rob108 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:03 pm

I agree with Jnk. I'm glad my doctors don't decide things on a whim. Shotgun approach to a diagnosis hardly ever pan out.

Old dude... My pulse rate pre-ablation was measured as going from 70bpm to 240+bpm instantaneously. It was beating so fast no oxygen was being delivered to my brain so next thing I'd realize was Iwas on t he floor or ground. Not fun & caused a whole lot of injuries

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Re: Can rapid awakening pulse be caused by vivid dreams or gerd?

Post by old dude » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:36 pm

Rob108 wrote:I agree with Jnk. I'm glad my doctors don't decide things on a whim. Shotgun approach to a diagnosis hardly ever pan out.

Old dude... My pulse rate pre-ablation was measured as going from 70bpm to 240+bpm instantaneously. It was beating so fast no oxygen was being delivered to my brain so next thing I'd realize was Iwas on t he floor or ground. Not fun & caused a whole lot of injuries
Wow! That makes my paltry 190-200 bpm pre-cardioversion seem tame!

I'm afraid ablation is the next step for me if I go into A-flutter again, from what they tell me.

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Re: Can rapid awakening pulse be caused by vivid dreams or gerd?

Post by old dude » Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:40 pm

jnk wrote:A doc only cares about the cause when knowing that helps determine the treatment.

Docs diagnose and prescribe. They leave unrelated (to them, anyway) details to others. Docs may at times offer info for you to file under "hey, why not try doing blah, blah, blah to see if that helps". They may even have a handout or two full of such common-sense suggestions of what has helped other patients for some unknown reason. But these days, we have the internet for that sort of thing. So docs mostly just diagnose and prescribe, as they were taught in doc-thought 101.

Docs who admit their limitations, and the limitations of the science, are my favorite kind of docs. I like talking to the guy behind the curtain instead of the blown-up image with sound effects on the big screen.
jnk, I had never thought of it in exactly those terms but what you say makes sense-from the doctor's standpoint.

But my reason for asking was much more direct; if I had some idea what had caused the problem I'd likely try to avoid repeating said behavior. From that view I'd think the doc would want to try and tell a patient where he might have taken a wrong turn. But you're right, I learn much more from the internet than I do from docs. Some patients are into knowing, others maybe are not. The first thing they see on my chart (or the first thing I tell them) is that I'm an acute and chronic anxiety sufferer. Why would a responsible doc not want to abate that to whatever extent he could? I often think they need courses in human nature as part of med school.