Do Heated Humidifiers produce additional (usable) oxygen?

General Discussion on any topic relating to CPAP and/or Sleep Apnea.
Ellen
Posts: 93
Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:08 pm
Location: Wyoming

oxygen humidifed air

Post by Ellen » Sat May 20, 2006 2:41 pm

Thanks so much for all the knowledgeable input.

I was also still in the first month stage then of having to "psyche up" to even put mask on, as was having both mask problems and exacerbated exhaustion problems, with claustrophobic and anxiety over it problems.

I AM DEDICATED TO CPAP as with software and tracking daily I can see subtle differences that will make a change, but probably not quickly.

I will try this test again sometime soon.

Do remember that even though my concentrator is set at 5L, that is not what is being delivered to lungs due to loss of oxygen via oxygen mask or cpap mask............don't know what is being delivered, but I have purchased a nocturnal oximeter so I can track oxygen through night with the hopes that I can eventually become free of supplemental oxygen via diligent CPAP - BUT RIGHT NOW I HAVE TO TAKE IT A STEP AT A TIME - and haven't even taken nocturnal oximeter out of box (use a finger pulse ox to spot check 02, so if it drops below 90% I have to stop and put oxygen on.

Just like tuning a high performance race engine, I cannot make more than one change at a time or will not know which change affected what...........

I really do appreciate the input.................

So why do you think your Dad's oxygen sats drop with humidity????

Ellen


Ellen
Posts: 93
Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:08 pm
Location: Wyoming

oxygen humidified air

Post by Ellen » Sat May 20, 2006 2:49 pm

DLLFO - am on a concentrator with bottle oxygen as backup

Ellen

Live in an isolated area in Wyoming - can't even imagine where to find a flight surgeon for information.......

User avatar
dsm
Posts: 6996
Joined: Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:53 am
Location: Near the coast.

Post by dsm » Sat May 20, 2006 4:29 pm

Ellen,

An interesting situation.

As an aside, 2 weeks back my brother was in intensive care for a viral lung infection. To compound his situation he is a paraplegic. One lung had almost collapsed.

Knowing how serious his condition was, I noticed that his SpO2 when I visited, was 100%. Seeing that the best I can register )on a finger or toe) is around 96-97, I asked the nurse how much supplemental O he was being given, she said 50%. I am assuming that means he was getting a total of about 70% (21$ already in the air & 50% supplemental.

Point here is that on so much oxygen, he was getting the required SpO2 for him to survive & to heal.

I do believe you may have got it right when you mentioned co2. That is one fair explanation of why your SpO2 would drop so markedly. Also I think you are right about moisture in the air affecting the ability to get good oxygen naturally.

I recall that working with engines, it was considered normal that on 'heavy' damp days we didn't get as good performance from an engine due to reduced oxygen content on intake, also we always understood that altitude also reduced performance due to thinner air & thus less oxygen per input cycle.

Your experiments really open up some interesting possibilities.

DSM

_________________

CPAPopedia Keywords Contained In This Post (Click For Definition): Altitude

xPAP and Quattro std mask (plus a pad-a-cheek anti-leak strap)

User avatar
Goofproof
Posts: 16087
Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:16 pm
Location: Central Indiana, USA

Post by Goofproof » Sat May 20, 2006 7:21 pm

[quote="dsm"]Ellen,

An interesting situation.

As an aside, 2 weeks back my brother was in intensive care for a viral lung infection. To compound his situation he is a paraplegic. One lung had almost collapsed.

Knowing how serious his condition was, I noticed that his SpO2 when I visited, was 100%. Seeing that the best I can register )on a finger or toe) is around 96-97, I asked the nurse how much supplemental O he was being given, she said 50%. I am assuming that means he was getting a total of about 70% (21$ already in the air & 50% supplemental.

Point here is that on so much oxygen, he was getting the required SpO2 for him to survive & to heal.

I do believe you may have got it right when you mentioned co2. That is one fair explanation of why your SpO2 would drop so markedly. Also I think you are right about moisture in the air affecting the ability to get good oxygen naturally.

I recall that working with engines, it was considered normal that on 'heavy' damp days we didn't get as good performance from an engine due to reduced oxygen content on intake, also we always understood that altitude also reduced performance due to thinner air & thus less oxygen per input cycle.

Your experiments really open up some interesting possibilities.

DSM

Use data to optimize your xPAP treatment!

"The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the disease." Voltaire

User avatar
dsm
Posts: 6996
Joined: Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:53 am
Location: Near the coast.

Post by dsm » Sat May 20, 2006 7:50 pm

Goofproof wrote: <snip>
That's why I use my HH in the passover mode, Raw Power! Jim
<snip>
LOL

DSM

xPAP and Quattro std mask (plus a pad-a-cheek anti-leak strap)

Ellen
Posts: 93
Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:08 pm
Location: Wyoming

oxygen humidified air

Post by Ellen » Sat May 20, 2006 7:53 pm

DSM - Thank you for your input. As I say, all I can judge is how my lungs felt - the only experience we had with engines and humidity was either racing barely above sea level 100 miles north of Seattle on 4th of July, where change in altitude gave us so much horsepower that the humidity was not an issue - then racing in northern Wisconsin about 100 miles south of Canadian border - where elevation was about 1500 feet but it was 30 degrees BELOW ZERO - so the humidity there was not an issue either - between the change in altitide from racing at 8000 feet to 1500 feet and going from 0 degrees to 30 below zero - there was so much oxygen in the air you could hardly keep the horsepower on the ground.

Here in Wyoming the air is incredibly dry............................just trying to make sense from personal experience.

Thank you for even taking the time to respond.

Ellen


User avatar
Goofproof
Posts: 16087
Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:16 pm
Location: Central Indiana, USA

Post by Goofproof » Sat May 20, 2006 7:53 pm

dsm wrote:
Goofproof wrote: <snip>
That's why I use my HH in the passover mode, Raw Power! Jim
<snip>
LOL

DSM
Use data to optimize your xPAP treatment!

"The art of medicine consists in amusing the patient while nature cures the disease." Voltaire