non-stretch chin strap

StuUnderPressure · Post by **StuUnderPressure** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:48 pm

NateS wrote:Purely by coincidence, I has been slipping my Puresom Ruby chin portion up to just under my lower lip the last few nights, trying to improve my fight with mouth dryness, but it still doesn't seem to fully solve the problem.

I do exactly that with my Respironics Deluxe 3" Wide White Chin Strap & it does work. Of course, I have 3" of Chin Strap to work with, so I can put it so it is just under my lower lip & there is still enough left to also keep it under my chin. I think that works much better than just having it under your chin.

The big drawback to my Chin Strap though is that it is 3" wide the whole length. So, it covers a lot of the sides of your face & also your ears.

I have not yet tried just the method mentioned by Avi, but it may be a way for me to get rid of my wide Chin Strap.

Sir NoddinOff · Post by **Sir NoddinOff** » Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:20 pm

NateS wrote:
avi123 wrote:
 Hopefully you are starting to get the idea that it ain't the jaw, it's the lip, and if you can get someone to hold their finger across your lip all night, you got this problem solved.

Read more: http://www.sleep-apnea-guide.com/cpap-c ... z2a7sqwrgz
Thanks to you and Reno Tom, avi for pointing this out!

Purely by coincidence, I has been slipping my Puresom Ruby chin portion up to just under my lower lip the last few nights, trying to improve my fight with mouth dryness, but it still doesn't seem to fully solve the problem. I also tried making one out of an Ace bandage as he suggests, but it kept slipping all around. And I too have a collection of earlier failed chinstraps, and taping has been tried by me and found impractical due to my moustache and light beard and I refuse to radically change my appearance by shaving it off.

So please keep us posted with your latest efforts to get or make one that really keeps the lips together and ends all mouth breathing. I am getting tired of the nightly pre-ritual of Biotene rinse, followed by XyliMelts, followed by sugarless fruit flavored lozenges and still waking up with dry mouth! And I refuse to give up my Wisp for a FFM! This has got to be solvable! I appreciate your efforts and look forward to your followup report.
Regards, Nate

I'm kind of coming around to the same conclusion about the lower lip. Instead of pulling the chinstrap up what I've tried in the last week or two is just putting a small strip of NexCare 3M tape over my lips. Both the chinstrap and the tape appear to stop the leaks thru my mouth. It's still in test mode but the results look promising. I guess my early summary is that the 1/2" vertical strip of tape stops leaks by keeping my lips sealed and the chinstrap keeps my tongue from sliding back in my throat (which is a big annoyance and guaranteed to wake up anybody).

MagsterMile · Post by **MagsterMile** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:42 am

The DME sent me a chin strap called Care Fusion (made in USA). Never used a chin strap before. To keep my jaw stable I think I tightened it too much and ended up with bad pain in my jaw. I had to loosen it. Result: leaks very high with 30.0@95% last night-night before 26.0@95%. Positive: less dry mouth overall the last two nights I've used it. To be sure, I don't know if the chin strap is the culprit for leaks or the Swift FX that I'm trying out the last two nights.

avi123 · Post by **avi123** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:38 am

The following Chin Strap looks interesting.

It could be ideal for nasal pillows mask users

http://www.amazon.com/The-Mouth-Strap-C ... B006V9WBWY

I would extend the behind the ears loops supports with a piece of a velcro strap to go around the head.

But if I was trying to use it, then the strip below the nose would interfere with the sealing of my nasal mask at the same place:

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:18 am

Avi; I think you ought to get one, and post pictures of yourself wearing it;
rather than that model used by the company.

avi123 · Post by **avi123** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:31 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:Avi; I think you ought to get one, and post pictures of yourself wearing it;
rather than that model used by the company.

See here how it works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mrZ5f3bDxo

NateS · Post by **NateS** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:17 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:Avi; I think you ought to get one, and post pictures of yourself wearing it;
rather than that model used by the company.

Regards, Nate

avi123 · Post by **avi123** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:07 pm

Nate, in the few hours since I posted this "Adjustable Mouth Closed Jaw Up Breathing CPAP Strap"
by Mouth Strap on this website, its price at Amazon jumped from $14.99 to $24.99 and also its name changed.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=bl_sr_hpc?_ ... de=3760901

But the actual inventor of this "lips strap" is no other than Dr Michael Berthon- Jones of Resmed. Do you recall my recent post covering this patent when you reacted that you're NOT going to clamp your lips like that?

"Device for Preventing or Reducing the Passage of Air through the Mouth", U. S. Patent no 6,123,082, Dated Sep. 26, 2000

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=pate ... 123082.pdf

Going by the claims in this Patent, the new maker of the device which is sold at Amazon, needs to pay royalties to Resmed

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=bl_sr_hpc?_ ... de=3760901

Nate, being an expert on Patents legalities, could you tell if I, as a buyer at Amazon, would also be responsible should the maker of this device infringe on the patent owned by Resmed, as assignee?

NateS · Post by **NateS** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:52 pm

avi123 wrote:Nate, in the few hours since I posted this "Adjustable Mouth Closed Jaw Up Breathing CPAP Strap"
by Mouth Strap on this website, its price at Amazon jumped from $14.99 to $24.99 and also its name changed.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=bl_sr_hpc?_ ... de=3760901

But the actual inventor of this "lips strap" is no other than Dr Michael Berthon- Jones of Resmed. Do you recall my recent post covering this patent when you reacted that you're NOT going to clamp your lips like that?

"Device for Preventing or Reducing the Passage of Air through the Mouth", U. S. Patent no 6,123,082, Dated Sep. 26, 2000

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=pate ... 123082.pdf

Going by the claims in this Patent, the new maker of the device which is sold at Amazon, needs to pay royalties to Resmed

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=bl_sr_hpc?_ ... de=3760901

Nate, being an expert on Patents legalities, could you tell if I, as a buyer at Amazon, would also be responsible should the maker of this device infringe on the patent owned by Resmed, as assignee?

I claim no expertise in Patent law, but considering the presently crazy state of intellectual property in general, anything could happen with ResMed, but I wouldn't worry about any personal liability attaching to you.

(This is not legal advice, and no attorney-client relationship has been created; you are advised to consult an attorney of your choice skilled in Intellectual Property Laws.)

Regards, Nate

jazzer4 · Post by **jazzer4** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:17 pm

What are those two bottom bars for?
Hey, I'll try anything!

chunkyfrog · Post by **chunkyfrog** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:25 pm

Ooh, kinky!

avi123 · Post by **avi123** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:18 pm

Nate, I just bought from Amazon: 'The Mouth Strap - Consuming Model' by GreenHealth, for $14.99:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Mouth-Strap-C ... reenHealth

Looking forward to see what I'll receive.

I don't understand your :

Is it something from the Cats scales?

BTW, all chinstraps that you can think of (including your if you use one) are protected by this patent {you may owe royalties if the maker is not paying it?}:

"METHODS AND APPARATUS FOR BREATHING"
Inventor: Karim Esmailzadeh
Number: 5,873,363
Date of Patent: Feb. 23,1999

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=pate ... 873363.pdf

avi123 · Post by **avi123** » Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:31 pm

jazzer4 wrote: What are those two bottom bars for?
Hey, I'll try anything!

Those two buttons are to pull and tighten the two bars against the lips. See how it's done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mrZ5f3bDxo

Another kind:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 ... Dle_QtX54Q

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/180988323421

avi123 · Post by **avi123** » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:35 am

OK I got that Mouth Strap. It's not good for me b/c it's too flimsy (weak), and also b/c it did not come with model.

NateS · Post by **NateS** » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:12 am

avi123 wrote:OK I got that Mouth Strap. It's not good for me b/c it's too flimsy (weak), and also b/c it did not come with model.

“Blessed is he who expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed.”
― Alexander Pope

Best wishes, Nate

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