Obamacare: Unions sick of it + Youth may destroy it

ReadyforRest

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Location: Ontario, Canada
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What the hell is wrong with that?

For starters:



That is weeks! folks, not days.

http://www.waittimes.net/Surgerydi/en/D ... 0&expand=0

That is an example of wait times for angioplasty in Canada: 15 days.

Even in Chicago, 15 hours would be considered too long.

ChicagoGranny wrote:http://www.waittimes.net/Surgerydi/en/D ... 0&expand=0

That is an example of wait times for angioplasty in Canada: 15 days.

Even in Chicago, 15 hours would be considered too long.

Just wait a year or so, Chicago may be the next major metro to file for bankruptcy (a race with Oakland) after Detroit and 15 hours or 15 days for medical attention won't seem too long at all.

I tried to set up an appointment with my endocrinologist last week ... next available time is June 23rd of 2014. ... and I'm here in the states, not Canada.

We are on our own with regard to health ... people need to realize that sooner rather than later. The US health-"care" system is completely broken.

DreamStalker wrote:
I tried to set up an appointment with my endocrinologist last week ... next available time is June 23rd of 2014.

"We are with the American Medical Association. Can you confirm the correct spelling of your last name? Is it B-e-n-e-s?"

I went in for a stress test on July 23, was scheduled for angioplasty on July 25 and was back on my feet the very next day. That's not bad time wise in my opinion.

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ChicagoGranny wrote:ReadyforRest

Posts: 64
Joined: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:43 pm
Location: Ontario, Canada
Gender: Female

What the hell is wrong with that?

For starters:



That is weeks! folks, not days.

Well first, I fail to see the relevance of copy/pasting how many posts, when I joined etc. Are you making some kind of point about my participation here?

Second and more to the point, you're comparing apples and oranges. Here in Canada, we have a population of 34+ million. The U.S. has a population of 316+ million. So our very small (in comparison) population is supporting a universal health care system that of course will have some flaws, like longer wait times, because we don't have the huge population needed to fund a more efficient system. AND because big brother lives next door with higher pay cheques for its doctors, and often there is a brain-drain of our doctors going south to grab those bigger pay cheques. But I don't know of anyone who has lost their house and gone deeply into debt because they needed medical treatment. AND all essential/emergency/life-threatening surgeries are done right away. AND angioplasties (and the like) are also performed very quickly, like within a day or two. AND we don't have as much discontent over our health care system as you all seem to have over yours.

Here's a laugh...

A man goes into the hospital for a vasectomy. Before the procedure a very attractive nurse comes in and takes his vitals, then tells him to take all of his clothes off. When he is fully undressed she instructs him to lie down on the table. The man obeys. The nurse then takes all of her clothes off and climbs on top and has her way with him.

Upon the completion of the act the man catches his breath and asks what that was all about. The nurse informs the patient that studies have shown that before a vasectomy if the man has an ejaculation, he will be more relaxed and that the cord is easier for the surgeon to locate and sever, thereby making the surgery safer, more efficient and quicker.

The nurse then wheels the patient to the operating room. While they are going down the hall the patient looks through a window to the right and sees six men in a room masturbating. Curious, the man asks, "What are they doing in there?"

The nurse responds, "They're preparing for vasectomies too, but you have Blue Cross, and they have Obama Care."

Anti "ObamaCare" explained in one sentence

Pure unadulterated GREED!

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/08/11/ ... ssful.html

In fact, there is a direct correlation between the renewed frenzy to sabotage the health law and industry profits that drives Republican opposition. The secret trigger in the ACA that pushed early Republican opposition was the so-called 80/20 rule that required insurance carriers to spend 80% of premiums on real healthcare or write rebate checks to policy holders for amounts they did not spend. Republicans rushed to defend the industry that railed at the idea of only reaping 20% profits. The second trigger is that competition inherent in healthcare exchanges in states that embraced the health law has reduced premiums substantially. For example, in New York, premiums are set to fall by roughly 50%, and in California, this author’s premiums fell by about 40% after 17 years of perpetual increases and that does not include rebate checks that began rolling in last year according to the 80/20 rule. It is the health law’s success stories like these that have Republicans in a panic and it is the third reason they are going all in to sabotage the ACA; it is successful.

Not Fade wrote: We are with the American Medical Association.

Well that might explain why you're such a jackass.

From the movie "Wall Street":

Gordon Gekko wrote:The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA. Thank you very much.

Good luck with that one, Gordo.


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To those who honestly believe that conservatives are on the wrong side of the debate (apparently, regardless of the issue), I accept that there is little I can say to change your opinion, which is fine. But you owe it to yourself to watch this very brief video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_YQ8560E1w.

rd1978 wrote:To those who honestly believe that conservatives are on the wrong side of the debate (apparently, regardless of the issue), I accept that there is little I can say to change your opinion, which is fine. But you owe it to yourself to watch this very brief video:

Unfortunately, I can't (easily) watch videos on a dial-up connection, but I found the complete speech on a website:

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Elbert Guillory: Why I Chose To Become A Republican

Louisiana State Senator Elbert Guillory (R-Opelousas) explains why he recently switched from the Democrat Party to the Republican Party. He discusses the history of the Republican Party, founded as an Abolitionist Movement in 1854. Guillory talks about how the welfare state is only a mechanism for politicians to control the black community.

Hello, my name is Elbert Lee Guillory, and I’m the senator for the twenty-fourth district right here in beautiful Louisiana. Recently I made what many are referring to as a ‘bold decision’ to switch my party affiliation to the Republican Party. I wanted to take a moment to explain why I became a Republican, and also to explain why I don’t think it was a bold decision at all. It is the right decision — not only for me — but for all my brothers and sisters in the black community.

You see, in recent history the Democrat Party has created the illusion that their agenda and their policies are what’s best for black people. Somehow it’s been forgotten that the Republican Party was founded in 1854 as an abolitionist movement with one simple creed: that slavery is a violation of the rights of man.

Frederick Douglass called Republicans the ‘Party of freedom and progress,’ and the first Republican president was Abraham Lincoln, the author of the Emancipation Proclamation. It was the Republicans in Congress who authored the thirteenth, fourteenth, and fifteenth amendments giving former slaves citizenship, voting rights, and due process of law.

The Democrats on the other hand were the Party of Jim Crow. It was Democrats who defended the rights of slave owners. It was the Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who championed the Civil Rights Act of 1957, but it was Democrats in the Senate who filibustered the bill.

You see, at the heart of liberalism is the idea that only a great and powerful big government can be the benefactor of social justice for all Americans. But the left is only concerned with one thing — control. And they disguise this control as charity. Programs such as welfare, food stamps, these programs aren’t designed to lift black Americans out of poverty, they were always intended as a mechanism for politicians to control black the black community.

The idea that blacks, or anyone for that matter, need the the government to get ahead in life is despicable. And even more important, this idea is a failure. Our communities are just as poor as they’ve always been. Our schools continue to fail children. Our prisons are filled with young black men who should be at home being fathers. Our self-initiative and our self-reliance have been sacrificed in exchange for allegiance to our overseers who control us by making us dependent on them.

Sometimes I wonder if the word freedom is tossed around so frequently in our society that it has become a cliché.

The idea of freedom is complex and it is all-encompassing. It’s the idea that the economy must remain free of government persuasion. It’s the idea that the press must operate without government intrusion. And it’s the idea that the emails and phone records of Americans should remain free from government search and seizure. It’s the idea that parents must be the decision makers in regards to their children's education — not some government bureaucrat.

But most importantly, it is the idea that the individual must be free to pursue his or her own happiness free from government dependence and free from government control. Because to be truly free is to be reliant on no one other than the author of our destiny. These are the ideas at the core of the Republican Party, and it is why I am a Republican.

So my brothers and sisters of the American community, please join with me today in abandoning the government plantation and the Party of disappointment. So that we may all echo the words of one Republican leader who famously said, ‘free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty, we are free at last.’


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The year is 2013. That Republican party is no more. It's since been bought and sold and delivered to the doorstep of the radical right wing.

Cutnstuf wrote:The year is 2013. That Republican party is no more. It's since been bought and sold and delivered to the doorstep of the radical right wing.

Den, thanks for posting a transcript of the video.

Have to agree that the Republican Party is now of the radical right wing variety. Heck, even Ronald Reagan would be too liberal for these folks.

49er

49er1 wrote:

Cutnstuf wrote:The year is 2013. That Republican party is no more. It's since been bought and sold and delivered to the doorstep of the radical right wing.

Den, thanks for posting a transcript of the video.

Have to agree that the Republican Party is now of the radical right wing variety. Heck, even Ronald Reagan would be too liberal for these folks.

49er

Actually, Reagan was much more conservative than the Republican party at the time, but he had to deal with many in the party who were much more "liberal" at the time. And, he had to try to deal with members of both parties. Also, keep in mind that Reagan had been a member of the Democrat party until he "saw the light" sometime in the 1950s and officially changed his party affiliation in 1962. He was often quoted as saying "I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The party left me".
Another thing to remember is that the Democrats had predominately controlled both houses of Congress for roughly forty years before they won both of them back in 1994. Another footnote is that the Democrats won both of them back in the last two years of the Bush (43) administration.

In my opinion, the two political parties have BOTH gone in opposite directions. Far too many of them have lost sight of many things and have become extreme and extremely polarized. They may go to Washington with good intentions, but too soon lose sight of why they went there. They lose their "moral compass", their principles and their souls. They have to raise so much money to get and stay there and they become puppets of the lobbyists.......and forget about "we the people". The old saying that "politicians are like diapers and need to be changed regularly and for the same reason" is so true. We NEED to clean out the corruption in our government. We need term limitations, but we know that ain't gonna happen, so "we the people" need to do it at the ballot boxes........if we can find candidates who can/will run.

Personally, I'd like to see a more "conservative" Republican party. They got a decent start in 2010 and need to build on that.
They just need to throw out some of the old-time, middle-of-the-road members who lost their compasses a long time ago.


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