Zeo Dark Thirty (comments please)

First night on the Zeo Bedside and some comments and questions.
I tolerated the Zeo headband and wore it directly above my mask headgear and pulled down in the back. I don't think the Zeo ever moved during the night and there was no hair, cream etc under the sensing pads. I got up once to pee and then came back to bed and promptly fell back asleep without connecting the hose--first time ever for that. Been on the Zeo site for the last few hours looking at FAQ's and in the Zeo Forum--lots of comments re similar events with the usual--are pads old, did the sensor move.

The graph on the Zeo did not start out for almost an hour after I put it on and it shows a large gap of about an hour occurring much later in the night and then resuming with the graph. Right before lights out my wife said that the "Jeb" icon was showing. Perhaps the sensors being located above the mask forehead piece are putting the sensors too high up, ie near where the forehead starts to curve, but then I should have intermittent data all night long? The total time is 3:47 but the graph indicates at least 5 1/2 hours.

This annoys me--when trying to upload I get the message " we did not find any new night sufficient data on your SD card." The SD card was fully inserted and not protected, perhaps a bad card, but I doubt it. Is there possibly a minimum time for Zeo to record to the SD card?

The night was not a total bust as I found I have a very low bar to improve from...Zeo number 35, 3% wake, 15% REM, 77% light, 4% deep or 10 minutes.

I've tried to chat with Zeo, but all reps are busy etc. and am sure that I will get the standard boiler plate response.

Any suggestions would be appreciated

I occasionally get gaps in my data also - I think I've got that beaten by NOT wearing the headband over my mask/headgear but under. Any movement of your mask headgear is possibly going to pull the headband away from your forehead and you're not going to be aware of it. Since changing this, I've had very few gaps in the data. Another reason I thought of is if you wear your hose over your head and clipped on top of your headgear - maybe this blocks the signal??

As far as your card reading goes - I also had this issue and had to experiment a lot until I got it fixed. I find if you either leave the card near the Zeo or just in the slot (not locked in) and after you put your headband back in the charger in the morning, THEN insert the card, wait for it to read. This has worked for me after trying a bunch of different things, and hasn't failed yet.

Good luck!

cheers,
xena

one additional observation

I took the headband off and put it back in the cradle and got the error message--
incomplete data, how can you have incomplete data and see the graph?

Always tired wrote:I took the headband off and put it back in the cradle and got the error message--
incomplete data, how can you have incomplete data and see the graph?

I had the same thing happen to me. I think it just means that it knows there was more to the night but it lost the sensors.
I only got 4 hours of graphs out of 8 hours asleep and I got that message also.
I also had one night where it appeared to stay on and in place all night and it wouldn't give me any graphs at all. Might as well not even worn it.

Did you remove the headband and replace in the cradle?

I haven't seen that error message in all the experimenting so can't comment on that. I've only had my Zeo since Xmas, and have every day except January 1 - no idea what happened there.

Even when my card indicated there were no new nights on there, re-inserting the card into the Zeo fixed that.

I'm trying to find out how many nights the Zeo records before you have to transfer it to the SD card - would appreciate any information on this.

Cheers,
xena

AT, a couple things. First, after you put the headband on, the JEB icon should show after a short time, not more than a minute or so. The Jeb Icon signifies a connection between sensor transmitter, bedside receiver, and that it is collecting data. This allows you to check that it is in place properly. Once you take the headband off the bedside unit for sleep, don't put it back in the cradle until the next morning. Putting it back ends the session, and you can only upload one session per 24 hours (the longest). So, If you put the headband in the cradle in the middle of the night and then put it back on your head and return it to the cradle in the morning, two sessions would be created, and Zeo would upload the longest. To count as a session, Zeo must collect sleep data for a certain length of time before it counts. Just taking the headband off the cradle during the day to fool with it, won't create a new session.
Check the Zeo forum for "naps" for a little more info.
"Incomplete Data" means that there was recording for less than 25% of a session. It could also be caused by removing the card before docking the headband.

Jay

Edited to calarify the original post, I hope.

Its only the first night. Relax and try again tonight.

Mine has been trouble free except the one time I knocked it further up my head and it lost the data for the duration and when I didn't use for the minimum required time. I think it is 4 hours min.

cosmo wrote:Relax and try again tonight.

I will say Om fifty times

Jay Aitchsee wrote:and you can only have one session per night

Jay Aitchsee wrote:Putting it back in restarts the night's "session", and you can only have one session per night.

Jay,
So try to upload the data on the SD card, BEFORE putting the head band back in the cradle?

Xena,
I think the SD card will hold seven days.
Thanks to everyone,
A T

No, sorry. This is a little confusing. Here's the deal. You can record multiple sessions to the card by putting the sensor on and off. However, when you upload the data, only the longest session of the 24 hour period will be used. The card will hold a lot, years probably. The bedside unit, I think seven days (guess).
So, typically you would put the sensor back on the cradle after a sleep, remove the card and upload the data. The only time there is a problem is if you put the sensor back on the cradle in the middle of the night and then put it back on. Zeo then sees two sessions and has to decide which session to use. I think the last session will be displayed on the bedside. There is just one more little thing - Zeo has to recognize a sleep stage before the session will count. Also, if there is not enough data captured (sleep stages), Zeo won't use it, even though it is displayed on the bedside unit.
I'm sure your next nights will be better, my first 3 or 4 nights were pretty screwed up too and I ended up discarding them.
BTW, I'm pretty sure "wake" counts as a sleep stage.

And you can record multiple sleeps before uploading. Just put the sensor on and put it back on the cradle when you wake. You can see up to a 7 day history (I think) on the bedside. You can then upload when you want. Once a day, once a week, or once a year. The machine writes to the card if it is inserted. If you forget to put the card in - no problem. Just put it in in the morning and the machine will write to the card from memory.

Thanks AT and Jay - clears up the questions I had.

Cheers,
xena

Does it work now?

cosmo wrote:Does it work now?

We have data! Not good numbers, but it's a place to start.
A special thanks to everyone that gave their comments and suggestions.
A T

So, it's been about a week. How are things looking?

Jay Aitchsee wrote:So, it's been about a week. How are things looking?

Jay,
i am having a tough time adjusting to one more thing attached to my head. With that said I can really feel the difference between a 13 minute deep night and a 31 minute night. I can only imagine what a 50 minute deep sleep night must feel like.
Yesterday I took some photos of my modified TrueBlue and plan to do a post of it soon. Removing the forehead gel pad and putting in a piece of fabric as a shim works good and so does a cut down pad-a-cheek liner.
I think I have pushed the TrueBlue about as far as it can go, and with a chin strap have the leaks below 5 for most of the night, AHI hovers about 2.0.
Have been really paying attention to the small annoyances at night that disrupt sleep and am working on eliminating them. The pressure on the bridge of the nose and under the nose as well as the chin strap pressure are always a work in progress.
Actually the sleep is slowly getting better, doing about 6 -6.5 hours a night vs 5-5.5. All of this tinkering is finally starting to work and my pre sleep routine is taking a bit out of the insomnia.
In summary---I feel a hell of a lot better than I did a few months ago and am just going to feel better from here.
A T