Obamacare: Cutting Liberals' Hours

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Obamacare: Cutting Liberals' Hours

Post by The Choker » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:33 pm

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At a popular community college in Pennsylvania, 400 mostly liberals will be having their jobs cut from 40 hours per week to 25 hours per week, in response to ObamaTAX. It couldn't happen to a more deserving group of people! Most of them voted for Obama's stupidity, now they can sleep in the bed they made!

Huffington Post: "Community College Of Allegheny County [Pennsylvania] will cut the hours so
me instructors to avoid paying for their health insurance coverage under new Affordable Care Act rules.

CCAC President Alex Johnson announced in an email to employees last week that the school would cut course loads and hours for some 200 adjunct faculty members and 200 additional employees.

The Affordable Care Act -- nicknamed Obamacare -- classifies employees who work 30 hours or more per week as full-time, and CCAC would be required under the new law to provide employer-assisted health insurance to those employees.

Instead, temporary part-time employees, such as clerical, computer, seasonal and other positions, will be limited to working 25 hours per week, and adjunct instructors will only be able to teach 10 credits per semester. Permanent part-time employees, already eligible for health care coverage, will be unaffected. The Pittsburgh-based college estimates the move will save it from spending an additional $6 million."





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Re: Obamacare: Cutting Liberals' Hours

Post by ughwhatname » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:48 pm

That is very unfortunate for those employees.

I haven't followed closely on the employer requirements since we already provide health care for our employees, however, I was of the impression that much of those requirements start in 2014. If that's the case, why take such action now?

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Re: Obamacare: Cutting Liberals' Hours

Post by The Choker » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:03 pm

Check the rest of the article:
The health care law's provision affecting full-time workers doesn't kick in until 2014, but Hoovler said the college may be held accountable for compliance retroactively for up to one year.
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Re: Obamacare: Cutting Liberals' Hours

Post by LSAT » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:04 pm

Republican candidates were warning that this would happen...It's starting early, but you will see a lot more of this.

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Re: Obamacare: Cutting Liberals' Hours

Post by BlackSpinner » Sun Nov 25, 2012 9:41 pm

American business must be really incompetent since the rest of the world manages this and makes a profit.

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Re: Obamacare: Cutting Liberals' Hours

Post by ems » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:08 pm

There must be a really good reason why Obama won the election. I'm sure that people who have pre-existing conditions are dancing in the streets, along with folks who presently have no insurance at all.

My daughter knows her daughter will have health coverage until she is 26, and will have graduated college by then. Also, she recently heard that in 2014 her health coverage costs will slowly start to come down.

Instead of pointing out what you consider to be the negatives, how about getting on board and attempting to be positive! After all, the thousands of people who voted for Obama (and he did win, by the way) surely must be seeing something that you refuse to even consider.
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Re: Obamacare: Cutting Liberals' Hours

Post by WearyOne » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:24 pm

EMS, I have several preexisting conditions, do not currently have health insurance, and am not dancing in the streets. I pray it turns out well, but I seriously doubt it as the government, in my opinion, can't run things very well...welfare, Medicare, etc...so I have my doubts they will do anything but make access to healthcare worse, costs higher, etc. I do honestly hope I'm wrong.

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Re: Obamacare: Cutting Liberals' Hours

Post by Goofproof » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:49 pm

BlackSpinner wrote:American business must be really incompetent since the rest of the world manages this and makes a profit.
Not near as incompetent as the Federal Government and U.S. Voters. Jim
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Post by mnfe » Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:08 am

ughwhatname wrote:That is very unfortunate for those employees.

I haven't followed closely on the employer requirements since we already provide health care for our employees, however, I was of the impression that much of those requirements start in 2014. If that's the case, why take such action now?
To qualify for an exemption, you have to have 50 full time employees or less. While it starts in 2014, exemptions are based on the number of employees in 2013. So companies are preparing now so that they qualify.

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Re: Obamacare: Cutting Liberals' Hours

Post by zoocrewphoto » Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:16 am

Instead of pointing out what you consider to be the negatives, how about getting on board and attempting to be positive! After all, the thousands of people who voted for Obama (and he did win, by the way) surely must be seeing something that you refuse to even consider.
What about those of us who have great insurance, but will either lose it or get it greatly reduced, while our cost for it goes up? I have what is considered a caddilac plan. If it stays the way it is, it will be taxed at 40%. So, it will have to be cut or dropped, which means that I will have to go the exchanges and pay for insurance that currently costs me pretty much nothing. My HRA account gets more than I pay in premiums. I will not be getting a pay increase to make up for it. The only way for my employer to avoid this penalty is to drop everybody to less than 30 hours.

Why was it so hard for people to consider a way to help those who needed insurance without harming those who already had something they liked? My contract expires in May, so who knows what changes will be in store for me. I'm not looking forward to it.

Don't expect me to jump up and cheer when I know this is going to cost me financially, and I am not doing well in this economy anyway. I hope you are correct - that everything will work out great. But I'm not going to count on it. There's a reason I am getting my wisdom teeth out this week.

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Re: Obamacare: Cutting Liberals' Hours

Post by 49er » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:27 am

Choker, I love your stereotyping of college professors as liberals. I have a best friend who has been an adjunct for years and is a Republican. He hasn't voted for a Democrat in a long time. I am sure he isn't the only Republican adjunct on this earth.
By the way, his hours were cut before the results of the election were known.

Well, there is a two word solution and it is called, "Single Payer". Interestingly, the American College of Emergency Physicians agrees with me and they aren't exactly a leftist organization. According to the Open Secrets website:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2 ... =C00140061

2012 PAC Contribution Data
Contributions from this PAC to federal candidates (list recipients)
(39% to Democrats, 61% to Republicans) $947,500
Contributions to this PAC from individual donors of $200 or more ( list donors)

Back on topic - Here is the link to the American College of Emergency Physicians' article:

http://pnhp.org/blog/2012/11/02/dr-mitc ... all-of-us/

It addresses all the myths that constantly pop up that we are all familiar with.

Also, I was struck by this exert since medicare keeps getting attacked:

""Looking again to Medicare as a single-payer model, consider how we emergency physicians interact with Medicare vs. private insurers. In 29 years of practice, I have never had to seek permission from a CMS official to admit a fee-for-service Medicare patient, have never had a consultant refuse a referral for a Medicare beneficiary, and have never had a pharmacist call me to say the prescription for my Medicare patient was not covered by the formulary. This is not true for some of my patients in managed care plans, including those who were sick enough to be admitted but had to be transferred because my hospital (which the patients self-selected) did not participate in their plan.""

Ironic since the evil government allegedly prevents choice.

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Re: Obamacare: Cutting Liberals' Hours

Post by 49er » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:34 am

Goofproof wrote:
BlackSpinner wrote:American business must be really incompetent since the rest of the world manages this and makes a profit.
Not near as incompetent as the Federal Government and U.S. Voters. Jim
Hmm, I said the same thing about US Voters after the 2004 election when Bush won.

The Daily Mirror agreed:)

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Re: Obamacare: Cutting Liberals' Hours

Post by eeckel » Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:48 am

Choker, I love your stereotyping of college professors as liberals.
Just for the record. I'm a university professor in Pittsburgh but not at CCAC. In my department we have three republicans (one is a tea party member) and two democrats. There is no way the faculty of my university could be considered all liberal.

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Re: Obamacare: Cutting Liberals' Hours

Post by The Choker » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:29 am

49er wrote:By the way, his hours were cut before the results of the election were known. 49er
Well of course! Obamacare was already passed and it was known that Romney did not have the political will to repeal it (as he said he would)!

49er wrote:Choker, I love your stereotyping of college professors as liberals. I have a best friend who has been an adjunct for years and is a Republican. He hasn't voted for a Democrat in a long time. I am sure he isn't the only Republican adjunct on this earth.



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eeckel wrote:
Just for the record. I'm a university professor in Pittsburgh but not at CCAC. In my department we have three republicans (one is a tea party member) and two democrats. There is no way the faculty of my university could be considered all liberal.
So you are OK with millions of workers across the country having their work hours cut due to Obamacare as long as there is a mix of liberals/conservatives/Republicans/Democrats affected?

That is some liberal logic! Redistribute the poverty!

You are illustrations of the classic liberals who have an overriding goal of equality of outcome and are happily willing to accept the end of prosperity, the end of high levels of achievement and the end of personal freedom in pursuit of your goal.

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Re: Obamacare: Cutting Liberals' Hours

Post by chunkyfrog » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:33 am

This garbage has been happening for decades--under both parties' watches!
They are all rich guys with no motivation to fix the problem.
They profit too much from playing the eternal blame game.
Remember, these twits play golf together!

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