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tooly125 · Post by **tooly125** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:23 pm

I am about to start on only my fourth nite of my cpap therapy but some things seem pretty clear to me already. I don't really like the full face mask but being a mouth breather and having a pressure setting of 19 a nasal interface doesn't seem possible.
I found the Fisher & Paykel oracle on the web (it looks like a big pacifier)
I was wondering if anyone has any info on this product.

Thanks
Gerard

Linda3032 · Post by **Linda3032** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:57 pm

Tooly, I'm with you, the concept sounds good. But, if you do a forum search, you will find that most people who tried it didn't like it. Many said that they slobbered, and their jaws and teeth started hurting. I guess it makes you hold your mouth in a different position from normal.

tooly125 · Post by **tooly125** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:10 pm

thanks linda not only am i new to cpap but i am also new to message boards trying to figure out both.
Went for a follow up visit today and brought in a picture of the oracle and without hesitation the DR. said no! she did sign me up for a cpap group they have which will try a bunch of different masks and chin straps on me to see which combo works best.

dsm · Post by **dsm** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:41 pm

[quote="tooly125"]thanks linda not only am i new to cpap but i am also new to message boards trying to figure out both.
Went for a follow up visit today and brought in a picture of the oracle and without hesitation the DR. said no! she did sign me up for a cpap group they have which will try a bunch of different masks and chin straps on me to see which combo works best.

Linda3032 · Post by **Linda3032** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:32 pm

Tooly, you and krousseau are so lucky to be able to go someplace and try on a bunch of masks.

You will feel really silly, but you should take your usual sleeping pillow and lay down (on the floor is necessary) to see how they feel when you move around -- Simulate sleep behavior. That's the real test.

Good luck. Every newbie should be so lucky.

RC · Post by RC » Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:47 pm

I know I'm late to the conversation but I love my Oracle 452 and completely disagree with the negative comments in this thread. However, this is a YMMV (your mileage may vary) kind of situation. I found, with my mustache, the only way to get a good enough seal with an over the nose mask was to tightent the straps too tight, and it's not a huge bushy thing (the mustache). The Oracle has been easy to keep sealed. The only criticism I've seen in any of the threads that I'd agree with is that you must use the nose plugs and they can blow out, from time to time.

Again, I'm the new kid on the block in this forum and what works for me may not work for anyone else, but it DOES work for me.

tooly125 · Post by **tooly125** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:13 pm

Hi RC,

Welcome to the forum
What pressure is your machine set at?
I am at 19 so I have to wonder if my wife would be getting nose plugs shot at her during the nite.

sleepless_in_ny · Post by **sleepless_in_ny** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:56 pm

I think you are extremely lucky to be going to an organized CPAP group to see and try equipment!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:22 pm

RC, do you have to bite on it? or just 'place' it in your mouth? just curious as I may have to get one!

tooly125 · Post by **tooly125** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:04 pm

sleepless_in_ny wrote:I think you are extremely lucky to be going to an organized CPAP group to see and try equipment!

I agree sleepless I go to Gaylord hospital here in CT I have my choice of three different locations to go to and the closest one is about 20 minutes from my house!
I'm not sure how they rank compared to other sleep centers but they seem to have a good program.

Sleepless on LI · Post by **Sleepless on LI** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:21 am

viewtopic.php?t=3206&highlight=oracle

This was my experience with the Oracle. I think it covers it all. I used it for about a week or a bit longer (hard to remember-it was my first attempt at cpap).

Please remember (I always have to say this for my own sake-and yours, of course) that everyone has different experiences with different masks/interfaces, so yours might not be the same as mine. I can only speak for myself.

I, too, agree with your doctor, although there are actually some people who really like it and use it. I guess it just depends on the individual.

Peterau · Post by **Peterau** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:26 pm

Tooly,

My 2 cents since the thread is still active. I am on 9cm and have recently started using the Oracle. Like all masks it takes time to come to grips with the way it will work for you. Having said that the Oracle has taken a bit more effort than the others I have used. Like you I am also a mouth breather and thought it sounded like a good idea. If you have the oportunity to try one, do so, you will know very quickly if you are going to be able to use one. Couple of things, use the biggest internal seal you can and like most FFM keep everything as loose as possible, heated humidifier is a must and it will need to be turned up very high. My Oracle is now my very night mask with a UMFF as backup.

Peterau · Post by **Peterau** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:31 pm

One other thing. The nose plugs are for training. Most people should be able to to stop using them after about 2 weeks. I did. Guess it is the test of a true mouth breather.

RC · Post by RC » Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:13 pm

Anonymous wrote:RC, do you have to bite on it? or just 'place' it in your mouth? just curious as I may have to get one!

You don't really have to bite it, but I do tend to. By 6-8 months the material it is made of is starting to fray from the contact with my teeth. I don't conciously do anything with my mouth.

RC · Post by RC » Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:16 pm

tooly125 wrote:Hi RC,

Welcome to the forum
What pressure is your machine set at?
I am at 19 so I have to wonder if my wife would be getting nose plugs shot at her during the nite.

Extremely good question. I'm only at 9 so your concern may be a very good point. However, I would refer you to a message from Petreau (sorry if I mangled it) who has trained himself to not use the nose plugs. I haven't been able to but then I wasn't aware they were just for training and have been using them all along. I'll have to give that a try.

As alway YMMV but seems to me that CPAP therapy is onerous enough without not finding the absolute best solution for you.

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