1st night with Zeo - UPDATED

Last night was my first night with my Zeo. I was amazed at how comfortable it was - barely knew it was there. That's the good news! Well, that and that my time to Z was good. My REM and Deep Sleep on the other hand - sucked.

Total sleep time 6 hrs 01 min. Deep Sleep 43 minutes. REM 40 minutes. Wake 31 minutes. Neither Deep or REM are any where near the 20% minumum that we should get. Explains a lot.

Pretty much corresponds with what I remember sleep pattern to be during my titration.

Interesting, isn't it? The Zeo website has some nice tools to monitor trends so it will be interesting to see how normal your first night was. If you haven't registered yet, it is worth the time.

Mine have been almost comically similar. They could just be re-applying the first night for all I know! Joking aside, my wife is a bit younger, in her early 30's and has no sleeping issues and she wore it one night. Her results were quite different. She had more deep sleep than REM, almost the reverse of me. No idea why but it is interesting.

For some reason, I am not getting the 20% of deep either. I am avg 55 min/night or 10-12%. REM, on the other hand, is pretty good at almost 2 hrs 15 min/night or around 30% avg. I wonder if this could be REM rebound? I am for sure dreaming more which is a nice change. I have been dreamless for years.

Thanks for sharing your results. Here's hoping both of us can get on a more normal sleep cycle!

I get about 7-8% Deep... poo about 30% REM ... yaaa! I need to figure out how to convert REM to Deep. Anyone got a REM to Deep converter I can borrow

Sorry; mine's in the shop.

I just want to convert some of my light sleep to REM and/or Deep Sleep!

77% light sleep; 12% Deep; 11% REM;

2flamingos, according to my studies deep sleep generally declines with age. Something around 10% would probably be considered normal for many people. REM, on the other hand, tends to stay more constant with age, with something in 20% plus being considered normal.

Medications can have a dramatic effect on sleep architecture suppressing both deep and REM. You didn't say if you were taking any or not. If you google "REM Suppression", you'll find a lot on the subject.

Jay

I am thinking of buying a zeo soon myself. I guess it is great to know that they way you feel my just be all in your head after all I am just wondering, what do you do now that you have the results? Is there any way you can improve your sleep? Or are you just stuck knowing that you don't get into certian areas of sleep that you should?
Money is so tight it is hard to justify buying one right now, but I have been feeling so crappy and having so many different medical issuses it would nice to be able to rule some more things out, or find out that I need to get more help in a certain area, and try to figure out my whole medical mess come up with a game plan for feeling better.

Peace,

Mike

SleepingBearDoNtWake wrote:I am thinking of buying a zeo soon myself. I guess it is great to know that they way you feel my just be all in your head after all I am just wondering, what do you do now that you have the results? Is there any way you can improve your sleep? Or are you just stuck knowing that you don't get into certian areas of sleep that you should?
Money is so tight it is hard to justify buying one right now, but I have been feeling so crappy and having so many different medical issuses it would nice to be able to rule some more things out, or find out that I need to get more help in a certain area, and try to figure out my whole medical mess come up with a game plan for feeling better.

Peace,

Mike

My plan is to get some more data and see the trend, then take it to my doc and tell him we need to do something about it. The app and website have suggestions to help improve whatever issues you may be having, but most of them either don;t apply to me or are something I am already doing.

As for the cost - I was lucky and got mine from Groupon for $39. If it had not been that price, i probably would not have one.

I am the same as 2flamingos, except the talking w/ the doc part since my results look 'ok'. I will collect data and watch trends to see if there are tweaks I can make to help. This could include diet, working out at different times during the day, room temp, going to be earlier, getting up later, etc. I might also experiment w/ the supplement ZMA and see if that has any impact. So, just doing some self-experimenting. I trust the data well enough to see how things change through the various experiments.

I also purchased via a Groupon so it hurt a bit less. I may have bought one at normal price, but it would have likely been a while.

I will say that one thing it has done for me right out of the gate, combined w/ seeing my actual full sleep study results, is to have confidence I CAN sleep. Seems silly, but it is pretty universal that people who think they have insomnia sleep more than they think. I was in that boat. I would have sworn I slept 3-4 hours/night and it took hours to get to sleep. Even in the sleep lab, which was HORRIBLE, it only took 25 minutes to get to sleep. So, this little gizmo has helped me relax which will hopefully led to even better sleep once I get over my PAP issues.

After looking at all the different things on the website/app, I am really impressed with the amount of data available - especially the "new" reports. Those are really cool - the comparison with the average for your age group is pretty neat.

Based on that comparison, most of my data is ok - except REM. I had 40 minutes of REM and the average for my age group is 1 hour and 54 minutes.

I have the desktop Zeo and it's almost sounding like the smartphone model does more?

The jury is still out as far as I am concerned of whether the Zeo is beneficial to me or not. I'm questioning it's accuracy and use. Maybe I just need to understand it better, who knows.

lazer,

I think the reports are for either model. They are on the mysleep.myzeo website, and are under the "beta" reports tab.

As for accuracy, I'm thinking - based on the way I feel - that it is probably going to prove to be fairly accurate. My restfullness is pretty constant, and even though I feel 100% better that pre-pap, I don;t notice the increase in energy, etc that I read and hear so much about. That I attribute to the lack of REM, which showed during my study (zero) and titration (around 10%). I doubt that it has improved. With reports from my Zeo, I hope to be able to show my doc that lack of REM is still an issue and see what we can do - change meds, whatever.

2flamingos wrote:lazer,

I think the reports are for either model. They are on the mysleep.myzeo website, and are under the "beta" reports tab.

As for accuracy, I'm thinking - based on the way I feel - that it is probably going to prove to be fairly accurate. My restfullness is pretty constant, and even though I feel 100% better that pre-pap, I don;t notice the increase in energy, etc that I read and hear so much about. That I attribute to the lack of REM, which showed during my study (zero) and titration (around 10%). I doubt that it has improved. With reports from my Zeo, I hope to be able to show my doc that lack of REM is still an issue and see what we can do - change meds, whatever.

I will have to dig into those reports some more. I thought you were talking about something else maybe available on the Iphone only or whatnot. My zeo has been telling me a fair amount of REM but little to no deep sleep. I'm also chasing a sleep stage issue since both prior sleep studies indicated lack of REM and my in-lab study years ago said I didn't get beyond stage 2

Ya, pre-XPAP it was hard to get to any stage, waking 10 times per hour

Lazer - like you, I did not get beyond Stage 2 in my study, and not significant amounts of 3 or REM during my titration.

Last night was one of the best nights sleep I have had in a long time. I felt great this morning and woke up before the alarm. Zeo says I got 1:14 Deep Sleep, and 2:22 REM! in 8:16 of sleep time. My ZQ score was 91. PAP had my AHI at 2.9. Dunno what I did right last night, but I need to do it more often!