Any Thoughts Appreciated

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Re: Any Thoughts Appreciated

Post by ems » Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:47 pm

robysue wrote:So for folks with weight problems:

The closer Probability(OSA Is Caused Only By Excess Weight) is to 0, the closer Probability(Getting Better) is to 0.

The closer Probability(OSA Is Caused Only By Excess Weight) is to 1, the closer Probability(Getting Better) is to Probability(Loosing and Keeping the Weight Off).
I knew it... I popped in on a math site!

The doctor keeps telling me that I need to lose 20lbs. Yes, I weigh 20lbs more than I should. But, I'm 20lbs over what I probably should be... not 120lbs. Do you think that 20lbs makes that much of a difference and has caused OSA? I've been this weight for years... didn't have any signs of OSA 5-6 years ago.
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Re: Any Thoughts Appreciated

Post by SleepingUgly » Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:49 pm

After my surgery, my surgeon told me not to even gain 15 lbs...
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Re: Any Thoughts Appreciated

Post by ems » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:24 pm

SleepingUgly wrote:After my surgery, my surgeon told me not to even gain 15 lbs...
Wouldn't that depend on why you had surgery in the first place? Not sure what you mean.
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Re: Any Thoughts Appreciated

Post by SleepingUgly » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:26 pm

ems wrote:
SleepingUgly wrote:After my surgery, my surgeon told me not to even gain 15 lbs...
Wouldn't that depend on why you had surgery in the first place? Not sure what you mean.
I doubt if there's a magic number of lbs that one can stay below that would be safe. If I had gained 15 lbs, I still would not be overweight. She just felt it would set me back.
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Re: Any Thoughts Appreciated

Post by rocklin » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:51 am

robysue wrote:After all, OSA is a progressive chronic condition.
And like, oh, say, cancer, there are no natural regressions?

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Oops, bad example.



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OK, sorry, I meant coronary hear disease (CHD).

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Damn, there I go again.



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IMHO, we must all catch ourselves, when, on the basis of some very limited studies we proclaim that "osa IS this, or osa IS that."

OSA has not been studied with anything resembling either the time frame, controls, or population numbers that either cancer or CHD have had applied to them. They have had literally billion of dollars poured into every aspect imaginable, tens of thousands of studies across the world.

And yet, in both those two heavily-mined fields, the perception of what was "so" shifted dramatically over time.

I think it's almost a given that the same evolution of thinking will apply to OSA.

Does anybody here really believe that we will not see a dramatic turn of events regarding OSA during the next twenty years?

That somehow OSA is exempt from a (God, I hate this phrase, but here it is:) paradigm change?

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IMHO, there is no way you should be giving anyone definitive "no chance" odds on the likelihood that their OSA may have abated.

It either has, or it hasn't.

Just my opinion.



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Re: Any Thoughts Appreciated

Post by chunkyfrog » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:41 pm

We all continue to age--until we stop.

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Re: Any Thoughts Appreciated

Post by ems » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:21 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:We all continue to age--until we stop.
Yup,we do. Are you sayin' we continue to have sleep apnea "until we stop"?
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Re: Any Thoughts Appreciated

Post by ems » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:06 pm

Does anyone know of articles, etc. speaking to this subject? I would like to know if there are people... doctors, scientists who believe sleep apnea isn't a life long issue - or believe it is.
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Post by 49er » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:30 pm

ems wrote:Does anyone know of articles, etc. speaking to this subject? I would like to know if there are people... doctors, scientists who believe sleep apnea isn't a life long issue - or believe it is.
I would love to also know.

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Re: Any Thoughts Appreciated

Post by SleepingUgly » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:36 pm

As far as I know, the only ways to make "permanent" changes that would "cure" OSA are weight loss and surgery. There are some other thoughts, such as the dingeroo or whatever the heck that instrument is called, but I haven't seen much of a body of literature about those types of interventions.
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Re: Any Thoughts Appreciated

Post by ems » Tue Feb 14, 2012 7:43 pm

Dingeroo??? Is that even a word? Okay... I'll do a search.
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Re: Any Thoughts Appreciated

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Re: Any Thoughts Appreciated

Post by ems » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:17 pm


LOL! Thank you!
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Re: Any Thoughts Appreciated

Post by rocklin » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:31 pm

I wonder: what do regular practice of:

a) The musical instrument: the didgeridoo

b) Deep Breathing exercises

c) Deep Throat exercises

have in common? We have seen posts here at CPAPTALK about all of them, all in the context of improving OSA.

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Re: Any Thoughts Appreciated

Post by rocklin » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:56 pm

chunkyfrog wrote:We all continue to age--until we stop.
Tell that to Bill Clinton and his cardiologists:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-tv/b ... 34168.html
(video interview)

After a huge change in lifestyle, Clinton reversed his advanced heart disease.

He is now aiming to weigh what he did when he was thirteen.

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Many of our widespread deadly "degenerative" diseases are acknowledged to be life-style related.

Again, I do not speak in absolutes. Yes, little children can develop cancer. Yes, the young and the thin can develop OSA.

But why are we the people of industrialized nations developing (or is it "discovering") OSA at such high rates?

Is it a systemic disease across the human spectrum?

Or the animal kingdom?

Do gorillas develop advanced OSA?

(Do androids dream of electric sheep?)

My cat, Ralph (The Destroyer of Worlds), snores loudly: should I try to titrate him with my trusty ResMed S9?


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