low carb diet?

Courage and best wishes, Trout. You may still have apnea afterward, but you'll have to do some hard riding to get that bike to bottom out.

Kilgore Trout wrote:If you're sensitive to insulin, the weight will come back when you revert. Even going to the gym, mine came back because I was eating normally... My doctor told me that massive weight loss might make my sleep apnea go away...

What I want to emphasize is the fact that an underlying sleep-breathing condition is what can predispose you to obesity AND diabetes, not the other way around.

http://doctorstevenpark.com/chicken-or- ... leep-apnea

Once you get your CPAP therapy working well and you learn to sleep well with CPAP, you may find it easier to control your weight and your appetite.

ozij wrote:Don't look for a diet, don't "go on a diet". Don't focus on your weight.
Try to learn about the way your body processes the food you eat.

Over the years it has been necessary to my job in pharmaceutical research/development to occasionally peer inside all kinds of animals. After reading Dr. Atkins' book several years ago on a whim to try to understand better what all the fuss was about, it suddenly made sense to me that a high protein/high fat/low carb diet SHOULD work because that's the way humans are plumbed. Look at the insides of a dog or cat for example. Then look inside a rabbit or a rat. Then look at a human's chitlins. The human digestive system much more resembles that of a carnivore than that of an herbivore. And it follows that if our gross digestive anatomy is essentially that of a carnivore, then the unseen regulatory mechanics would likewise resemble that of a carnivore.**

That being the case, I've often wondered why the USDA and various quasi-governmental groups have fought so hard to coerce/force us into grazing like sheep, and I've also wondered why Dr. Atkins' work elecited such vigorous opposition from the Establishment. I wonder whether there's some paternalistic/political motive at work that we're unaware of. (I suppose I wonder about too many things)

Methinks they protesteth too much.

FWIW, this guy's approach makes some sense to me, though I won't eat organs, bone marrow or tongue : http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/

**However I thank my Maker that He sought to allow us to enjoy chocolate, which is toxic to dogs.

Slartybartfast wrote:... it suddenly made sense to me that a high protein/high fat/low carb diet SHOULD work because that's the way humans are plumbed

I completely agree. There's no way evolution's caught up to the way we eat now-a-days.

Slartybartfast wrote: I wonder whether there's some paternalistic/political motive at work that we're unaware of.

We are not unaware of it. The first and most important Presidential primaries are in Iowa. That gives us farm subsidies for corn and wheat producers, subsidies for corn alcohol production, and quotas on imported sugar to drive food producers to high fructose corn syrup.

I guess if the first Presidential primaries were in Maine the government would be pushing a lobster and pine cone diet.

I wonder whether there's some paternalistic/political motive at work that we're unaware of. (I suppose I wonder about too many things)

It is a lot easier and cheaper to feed masses of peoples on grain/legume based diet then a meat based one. Meat is expensive and the same land used to grow feed can usually grow crops to feed more people more cheaply. If we want to feed all the people on the planet we can't do it on a meat based diet.

Having been trying to live on $25 a week I can tell you that sardines on toast and peanut butter sandwiches are far cheaper then meat.

Slartybartfast wrote:FWIW, this guy's approach makes some sense to me, though I won't eat organs, bone marrow or tongue

WHAT???? Boiled beef tongue is one of the best sandwich meats God ever created!!! Especially between slices of homemade whole wheat Finnish bread slathered with mayonaise! Yum!!

BlackSpinner wrote:If we want to feed all the people on the planet we can't do it on a meat based diet.

Soylent Green!

idamtnboy wrote:

Slartybartfast wrote:FWIW, this guy's approach makes some sense to me, though I won't eat organs, bone marrow or tongue

WHAT???? Boiled beef tongue is one of the best sandwich meats God ever created!!! Especially between slices of homemade whole wheat Finnish bread slathered with mayonaise! Yum!!

Blood and tongue worst!!! Steak and kidney pie!!!! Chopped chicken liver!!!

BlackSpinner wrote:Steak and kidney pie!!!!

When I was a kid growing up in Montreal, I learned to love the ones in the big flat tins, with the pastry that puffs up an inch.

I wish I knew where to get those in So Cal!

Ok, ok, mebbe I shoulda said, ". . . knowingly eat organs, bone marrow or tongue." I really don't know what goes into a hot dog or bologna or . . . or . . .

Backspinner, I suspect maximizing the carrying capacity of the land is what is at the root of all this.

BlackSpinner wrote:

I wonder whether there's some paternalistic/political motive at work that we're unaware of. (I suppose I wonder about too many things)

It is a lot easier and cheaper to feed masses of peoples on grain/legume based diet then a meat based one. Meat is expensive and the same land used to grow feed can usually grow crops to feed more people more cheaply. If we want to feed all the people on the planet we can't do it on a meat based diet.

Having been trying to live on $25 a week I can tell you that sardines on toast and peanut butter sandwiches are far cheaper then meat.

I disagree. Grass fed cattle raised in a meadow and only fed grass use much less chemicals and pesticides than raising grains. I live accross the road from two fields that they raise corn and soybeans in. I could go over there and turn over all the dirt I wanted to and not find a live worm. They've killed the soil with chemicals. A natural meadow feeding cows is much more sustainable than the crap they do to raise grain crops. Besides, we have only been eating grains for the last 10,000 years. We have been eating meat for 2 million.


jeffH

JeffH wrote: I disagree. Grass fed cattle raised in a meadow and only fed grass use much less chemicals and pesticides than raising grains. I live accross the road from two fields that they raise corn and soybeans in. I could go over there and turn over all the dirt I wanted to and not find a live worm. They've killed the soil with chemicals. A natural meadow feeding cows is much more sustainable than the crap they do to raise grain crops. Besides, we have only been eating grains for the last 10,000 years. We have been eating meat for 2 million.


jeffH

That has to do with farming methods that are not sustainable rather then amount of food per acre. How many cows can you grow in that meadow? It takes 2 years to get one steer - 800 lbs of usable meat. The meat then has to frozen in order to keep it (more energy used) It is viable only if the land is unusable to grow other crops.

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BlackSpinner wrote:

JeffH wrote: I disagree. Grass fed cattle raised in a meadow and only fed grass use much less chemicals and pesticides than raising grains. I live accross the road from two fields that they raise corn and soybeans in. I could go over there and turn over all the dirt I wanted to and not find a live worm. They've killed the soil with chemicals. A natural meadow feeding cows is much more sustainable than the crap they do to raise grain crops. Besides, we have only been eating grains for the last 10,000 years. We have been eating meat for 2 million.


jeffH

That has to do with farming methods that are not sustainable rather then amount of food per acre. How many cows can you grow in that meadow? It takes 2 years to get one steer - 800 lbs of usable meat. The meat then has to frozen in order to keep it (more energy used) It is viable only if the land is unusable to grow other crops.

And I've watched them go over the fields at least four times with tractors (fuel use) just to get all the chemicals and planting done. That doesn't include one more time for harvesting. Sorry, but farming just doesn't fly when compared to simple grazing of animals without the grain fed fattening process that sadly goes on.

JeffH