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Re: Osama Bin Laden Confirmed Dead

Post by torontoCPAPguy » Tue May 03, 2011 5:01 pm

Breathe Jimbo wrote:Obama's death is probably an automatic green light for sleeper cells to attack.

Good idea to bury him at sea, so that no one can worship at a physical burial place.
It has generally been the policy of the USA to bury all human beings with dignity of some sort regardless of their sordid past; having said that it is also the policy of the government of the United States of America to either choose an unknown burial location if that is part of the SOB's faith, or cremate the SOB so that there is no possibility of there being a location for martyrdom to fester.

Personally? I would have blasted the crap out of the neighborhood - don't tell me that nobody knew.

The sad fact is that the capture or killing of Bin Laden is going to have a very good chance of cueing sleeper cells to activate. It is likely to instigate his heathen throngs to greater violence.

The good news is that I slept well last night. Canada now has a conservative pro-gun majority government and we hope that they will keep their long standing promises to loosen up on gun controls. And the icing on the cake is Osama is no more. I indeed slept well and will sleep well again tonight.

If you are not prepared with a 'buf-out bag' it is time to think about same as there may be repercussions as a result of this action - it would have been much better and tactically correct to have done the nasty business in silence. It is a pity that Obama feels the need to garner votes from the news (Henry Ford once said once said 'any publicity is good publicity'). When thinking what you might need in your bug-out bag think in terms of New Orleans on a grander scale with power grids down for the count. Think in terms of having to protect your home and family in a big way, with lethal force if necessary, and so on. Pray you never need to use the kit but make sure you are prepared. We, for example, have taken up arms in recent years as a sport mainly but stock hollow points for self defense as well as DDuplex 12 guage rounds. We have several weeks of food and water, all non-perishable, on hand as well as a gas generator and gasoline. Out tanks are never allowed to go less that 3/4full. Are we paranoid? Think New Orleans and then think that the government made it their business to pass laws to ensure that the authorities were not permitted to take away their firearms under the most severe of penalties.


Think of your CPAP and Oxygen and make sure you know how long you can last WITHOUT humidifier and without an oxygen concentrator. We are in the process of stocking up on O2 tanks. At least six to 8 weeks worth. If you do not presently have a carry permit get one. Not tomorrow but today. A handgun with a concealed carry permit is a good start with a case of hollow points. A tactical shotgun and a case of Dduplex defensive rounds is a good bet to protect your home as well. Do not plan to travel as travel will be difficult at best haulting all your gear, food and supplies.

Hate to be the harbinger of doom and gloom, but I am just playing devil's advocate here. All I ask you to do is consider the bad guys' taking out your power grid or water supply. THAT is all. Take it from there.

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Post by PST » Tue May 03, 2011 5:10 pm

LinkC wrote:But, with similar names and similar goals, it's easy to confuse the two...
LinkC. If you are saying what I think you are saying -- that in your opinion the President of the United States and Osama bin Laden have been pursuing similar goals -- then you are completely full of shit. That is an especially vile thing to say on a day when most Americans are standing together.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Confirmed Dead

Post by So Well » Tue May 03, 2011 5:30 pm

JeffH wrote:An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.
Mohandas Gandhi
Gandhi had a very poor grasp of the Bible and if indeed he said this he held a common misconception about what it means.

Some further understanding and a look at the context would help. Paul Bischke helps with the context:
In ancient Palestine, offenses against one's honor were met with an escalating response. If someone stole one of your sheep, the manly thing to do was to go and kill five of his cows. If some careless bozo trampled a row of your corn with his ox-cart, you might go and set fire to his field. In other words, "teach 'em a lesson."

The eye-for-an-eye ethic put a lid on this escalating violence, insisting that punishment or restitution be proportional to the actual, demonstrable harm done, and that it not be determined by the rage of the party offended. For example, Leviticus 24:18 says, "And he that killeth a beast shall make it good; beast for beast." The eye-for-an-eye principle placed rational limits on retribution and punishment -- a true step of moral progress.

Now suppose a government enacts a law: "stealing a silver spoon shall be punished by 10 years in prison." You may recall from your grade-school history lessons that, in colonial America, this crime was punishable by death. The Judaeo-Christian tradition condemns such laws: its severity exceeds the "eye-for-an-eye" guideline. A silver spoon is simply not worth 10 years of any person's life. To enact such a law is to break a higher law that demands fairness and respect for human life.

Emphasis mine.
So you see the principle of "an eye for an eye" was a good thing which put limits on punishments and retribution.

I, along with Bischke, have some serious problems today with laws that prescribe severe penalties for drug use or possession that harms no one lest the user. Our elected politicians need to be taught the "eye for eye" principle.

Also, just about any law or bureaucratic ruling that prescribes "zero tolerance" is in danger of exceeding the "eye for eye" principle. Zero violence and zero weapons on school property are examples of often abusive practices. Many of you have heard of the 14-year old female who was an honor student with no previous violations who was suspended for bringing a weapon to school. She had accidentally picked up her dad's lunch bag instead of her own and when she opened it at school a teacher saw that it contained a small paring knife that her dad had intended to peel an apple with. She was suspended from the school, all appeals lost, and she lost one year of schooling.

On the other hand, Bin Laden got exactly what he deserved on earth - just not soon enough.
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Confirmed Dead

Post by So Well » Tue May 03, 2011 5:36 pm

LinkC, You got some 'splaining to do.
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Re: Osama Bin Laden Confirmed Dead

Post by scullbuster » Tue May 03, 2011 7:09 pm

Did anybody notice he was a CPAP user. Look in the video released.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Confirmed Dead

Post by tomjax » Tue May 03, 2011 8:42 pm

I am not convinced he is dead and suggest becoming a deather.

What does Obama have to hide?

I demand he shows us the death certificate.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Confirmed Dead

Post by Breathe Jimbo » Tue May 03, 2011 8:57 pm

... waiting for the photos....

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Confirmed Dead

Post by kempo » Tue May 03, 2011 9:03 pm

tomjax wrote:I am not convinced he is dead and suggest becoming a deather.

What does Obama have to hide?

I demand he shows us the death certificate.

I just want to see a picture of the dead son of a bitch. It's going to make a great poster to throw darts at. Our people in the military and CIA are the best at what they do. God bless them.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Confirmed Dead

Post by torontoCPAPguy » Tue May 03, 2011 9:25 pm

kempo wrote:
tomjax wrote:I am not convinced he is dead and suggest becoming a deather.

What does Obama have to hide?

I demand he shows us the death certificate.

I just want to see a picture of the dead son of a bitch. It's going to make a great poster to throw darts at. Our people in the military and CIA are the best at what they do. God bless them.
If you listened to the news feeds you will recall to mind that it was a head shot that took him out. With apologies for the gore, anyone that has experienced the view of a head shot, especially with something in the order of a .308 or even a 5.56mm tactical round will know that there is likely nothing left that any picture is going to show as being a dead Osama (Pleeeeeez, it is OSAMA and NOT OBAMA, sic). Identification will be finalized with DNA, dental charts and such if possible. And it is quite possible that we may never know for sure that it was Osama - sad but true. One needs the dental records, one needs the DNA sample at source, etc., in order to make identification. We may never have it.

On the other hand, Osama having been out of sight and sound for some time now it may be possible that this is a PR spin with an election looming and OBAMA having insufficient lead in the polls.

One thing for sure, however you look at it, and that is a simple thanks to those men and women who place themselves in harms way at great personal sacrifice, in order to even have the chance to take the shot. The next time you see someone in uniform may I humbly suggest that you just say 'thanks' in passing.

This is one of those situatations where everyone demands answers and where those answers may just not be available, especially in view of the fact that government policy in these cases is private/secret burial in an unmarked grave, burial at sea, cremation, etc., to prevent a martyr's shrine from being established.

I once again suggest to all that are critically dependant on CPAP gear and in especially on oxygen, that they consider assembling a 'bug-out bag' and adding this to the mix. And I humbly suggest that home defense may be a critical component of same should a power grid get taken out or the water supply be compromised. Chances are that nothing will happen but on the other hand, there are no guarantees in life.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Confirmed Dead

Post by Starlette » Tue May 03, 2011 9:38 pm

Let me say on the forum what I said on my FB page...

To all our Servicemen and Servicewomen, both home and abroad, who shed your blood in the fight against terrorism, TODAY your blood has FINALLY been avenged!!!!!!

To all our Servicemen and Servicewomen, both home and abroad, who bodies and futures were forever changed in the fight against terrorism, your sacrifice was NOT IN VEIGN!!!

I most humbly and respectfully salute you, THANK YOU!!!

AND let's NOT FORGET those behind the scenes who did strategized, again home and abroad, with such precision to bring this diabolical monster down, THANK YOU!!!

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Post by idamtnboy » Tue May 03, 2011 10:48 pm

So Well wrote:
JeffH wrote:An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind.
Mohandas Gandhi
Gandhi had a very poor grasp of the Bible and if indeed he said this he held a common misconception about what it means.
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So you see the principle of "an eye for an eye" was a good thing which put limits on punishments and retribution.
Gandhi may have had a better grasp of the Bible than what you think. He came very close to converting to Christianity, but some Christian did or said something that didn't coincide with the Christian teachings of God's love for mankind and he changed his mind. I don't recall the specific reason. His point about making the whole world blind is that if mankind continues to always demand retribution for every harm done to each other, eventually we will all be fighting each other, even when the retribution is no greater than the previous harm. His belief was that for every harm done to a man, that man should return less harm, or better yet no harm, to the perpetrator. Only then will conflicts eventually diminish and disappear.
I, along with Bischke, have some serious problems today with laws that prescribe severe penalties for drug use or possession that harms no one lest the user. Our elected politicians need to be taught the "eye for eye" principle.

Also, just about any law or bureaucratic ruling that prescribes "zero tolerance" is in danger of exceeding the "eye for eye" principle. Zero violence and zero weapons on school property are examples of often abusive practices. Many of you have heard of the 14-year old female who was an honor student with no previous violations who was suspended for bringing a weapon to school. She had accidentally picked up her dad's lunch bag instead of her own and when she opened it at school a teacher saw that it contained a small paring knife that her dad had intended to peel an apple with. She was suspended from the school, all appeals lost, and she lost one year of schooling.

On the other hand, Bin Laden got exactly what he deserved on earth - just not soon enough.
Hard to believe, but I'm inclined to agree with you!

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Post by Breathe Jimbo » Wed May 04, 2011 12:20 am

One bullet to the head is proportionally much less than the death and suffering that he inflicted on thousands, if not tens of thousands.

And, BTW, Christian teaching for the individual is not an eye for an eye but to turn the other cheek. (I miss the mark constantly.)

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Confirmed Dead

Post by So Well » Wed May 04, 2011 6:43 am

idamtnboy wrote:
Gandhi may have had a better grasp of the Bible than what you think. He came very close to converting to Christianity,
That is a popular myth that has been repeated often in writing. There is no evidence that he was ever anywhere close to converting to Christianity. While Gandhi did extensive reading of the Bible, he never did study the Bible to gain an understanding and he certainly did not understand the context of what he read. If it were true, as the myth says, that Gandhi failed to convert to Christianity because of some of the actions of Christians, then it would be further proof that he did not understand the Bible.

If you have great veneration for Gandhi, you may want to read some things about him by authors who are not blinded by their veneration for Gandhi.
-Gandhi was a sexual weirdo, a political incompetent and a fanatical faddist—one who was often downright cruel to those around him. Gandhi was therefore the archetypal 20th-century progressive ­intellectual, professing his love for ­mankind as a concept while actually ­despising people as individuals.

-For all his lifelong campaign for Swaraj ("self-rule"), India could have achieved it many years earlier if ­Gandhi had not continually abandoned his civil-disobedience campaigns just as they were beginning to be successful.

-Yet Gandhi's uncanny ability to irritate and frustrate the leader of India's 90 million Muslims, Muhammad Ali Jinnah (whom he called "a maniac"), wrecked any hope of early independence. He equally alienated B.R. Ambedkar, who spoke for the country's 55 million Untouchables (the lowest caste of Hindus, whose very touch was thought to defile the four higher classes). Ambedkar pronounced Gandhi "devious and untrustworthy." Between 1900 and 1922, Gandhi ­suspended his efforts no fewer than three times, leaving in the lurch more than 15,000 supporters who had gone to jail for the cause.

-A ceaseless self-promoter, Gandhi bought up the entire first edition of his first, hagiographical biography to send to people and ensure a reprint. Yet we cannot be certain that he really made all the pronouncements attributed to him, since, according to Mr. Lelyveld, Gandhi insisted that journalists file "not the words that had actually come from his mouth but a version he ­authorized after his sometimes heavy editing of the transcripts."

-We do know for certain that he ­advised the Czechs and Jews to adopt nonviolence toward the Nazis, saying that "a single Jew standing up and ­refusing to bow to Hitler's decrees" might be enough "to melt Hitler's heart." (Nonviolence, in Gandhi's view, would apparently have also worked for the Chinese against the Japanese ­invaders.) Starting a letter to Adolf ­Hitler with the words "My friend," Gandhi egotistically asked: "Will you listen to the appeal of one who has ­deliberately shunned the method of war not without considerable success?" He advised the Jews of Palestine to "rely on the goodwill of the Arabs" and wait for a Jewish state "till Arab ­opinion is ripe for it."

-In August 1942, with the Japanese at the gates of India, having captured most of Burma, Gandhi initiated a ­campaign designed to hinder the war effort and force the British to "Quit ­India." Had the genocidal Tokyo regime captured northeastern India, as it ­almost certainly would have succeeded in doing without British troops to halt it, the results for the Indian population would have been catastrophic. No fewer than 17% of Filipinos perished under Japanese occupation, and there is no reason to suppose that Indians would have fared any better. Fortunately, the British viceroy, Lord Wavell, simply imprisoned Gandhi and 60,000 of his followers and got on with the business of fighting the Japanese.

-Gandhi claimed that there was "an exact parallel" between the British ­Empire and the Third Reich, yet while the British imprisoned him in luxury in the Aga Khan's palace for 21 months ­until the Japanese tide had receded in 1944, Hitler stated that he would simply have had Gandhi and his supporters shot. (Gandhi and Mussolini got on well when they met in December 1931, with the Great Soul praising the Duce's "service to the poor, his opposition to super-urbanization, his efforts to bring about a coordination between Capital and ­Labour, his passionate love for his people.") During his 21 years in South Africa (1893-1914), Gandhi had not opposed the Boer War or the Zulu War of 1906—he raised a battalion of stretcher-bearers in both cases—and after his return to India during World War I he offered to be Britain's "recruiting agent-in-chief." Yet he was comfortable opposing the war against fascism.

-Although Gandhi's nonviolence made him an icon to the American civil-rights movement, Mr. Lelyveld shows how ­implacably racist he was toward the blacks of South Africa. "We were then marched off to a prison intended for Kaffirs (black south Africans)," Gandhi complained during one of his campaigns for the rights of ­Indians settled there. "We could understand not being classed with whites, but to be placed on the same level as the ­Natives seemed too much to put up with. Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized—the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live like animals."

-Of white Afrikaaners and Indians, he wrote: "We believe as much in the purity of races as we think they do." That was possibly why he refused to allow his son Manilal to marry ­Fatima Gool, a Muslim, despite publicly promoting Muslim-Hindu unity.

-Gandhi's pejorative reference to ­nakedness is ironic considering that, as Mr. Lelyveld details, when he was in his 70s and close to leading India to ­independence, he encouraged his ­17-year-old great-niece, Manu, to be naked during her "nightly cuddles" with him. After sacking several long-standing and loyal members of his 100-strong ­personal entourage who might disapprove of this part of his spiritual quest, Gandhi began sleeping naked with Manu and other young women. He told a woman on one occasion: "Despite my best efforts, the organ remained aroused. It was an altogether strange and shameful experience."

-Yet he could also be vicious to Manu, whom he on one occasion forced to walk through a thick jungle where sexual assaults had occurred in order for her to retrieve a pumice stone that he liked to use on his feet. When she returned in tears, Gandhi "cackled" with laughter at her and said: "If some ruffian had carried you off and you had met your death courageously, my heart would have danced with joy."

-Yet as Mr. Lelyveld makes abundantly clear, Gandhi's organ probably only rarely became aroused with his naked young ladies, because the love of his life was a German-Jewish architect and bodybuilder, Hermann Kallenbach, for whom Gandhi left his wife in 1908. "Your portrait (the only one) stands on my mantelpiece in my bedroom," he wrote to Kallenbach. "The mantelpiece is opposite to the bed." For some ­reason, cotton wool and Vaseline were "a constant reminder" of Kallenbach, which Mr. Lelyveld believes might ­relate to the enemas Gandhi gave ­himself, although there could be other, less generous, explanations.

-Gandhi wrote to Kallenbach about "how completely you have taken ­possession of my body. This is slavery with a vengeance." Gandhi nicknamed himself "Upper House" and Kallenbach "Lower House," and he made Lower House promise not to "look lustfully upon any woman." The two then pledged "more love, and yet more love . . . such love as they hope the world has not yet seen."

-Gandhi was willing to stand up for the Untouchables, just not at the ­crucial moment when they were ­demanding the right to pray in temples in 1924-25. He was worried about alienating high-caste Hindus. "Would you teach the Gospel to a cow?" he asked a visiting missionary in 1936. "Well, some of the Untouchables are worse than cows in their understanding."

-Yet of the four great campaigns of Gandhi's life—for Hindu-Muslim unity, against importing British textiles, for ending Untouchability and for getting the British off the subcontinent—only the last succeeded, and that simply ­because the near-bankrupt British led by the anti-imperialist Clement Attlee desperately wanted to leave India anyhow after a debilitating world war.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 69358.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 69358.html
So you see, despite that very well produced movie you grew misty over, Gandhi was

- a racist pursuing racist policies
- an incompetent politician whose actions severely delayed independence for India
- a dishonest and ceaseless self-promoter
- a holder of positions toward Hitler, Mussolini, and the Japanese that would have been disastrous had the Allies not ignored him
- said, "I cannot imagine a thing as ugly as the intercourse of men and women."
- was viciously cruel to his "staff"
- was an active pedophile
- abandoned his wife for an obsessive lascivious homosexual relationship with a European bodybuilder and
- was a miserably ineffective and dishonest politician.

And Gandhi was critical of the actions of Christians?? Such arrogance!

Too bad the left has sole control of the movie making industry.
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Post by LinkC » Wed May 04, 2011 9:09 am

PST wrote: LinkC. If you are saying what I think you are saying -- that in your opinion the President of the United States and Osama bin Laden have been pursuing similar goals -- then you are completely full of ****. That is an especially vile thing to say on a day when most Americans are standing together.
Well, I can only go by their statements. Both advocated radical changes in the America we all know. Quite clearly, to anyone paying attention. So, do you not believe that 9/11 changed our country? Or is it the "Change you can believe in" thing you disagree with?

(Please try to refrain from profanity/obscenity. It's clearly prohibited in the User agreement. Surely, you are capable of expressing yourself without that, aren't you?)

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Confirmed Dead

Post by Slinky » Wed May 04, 2011 2:28 pm

President Obama announced that "we" would not be releasing photographs of bin Laden's death. I think it is a wise and tasteful decision unlike Bush, Cheney & Rummy's flaunting of the photographs of Sadam Hussein's two sons.

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