Can I have my own thread?

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Re: Can I have my own thread?

Post by -SWS » Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:29 pm

SleepingUgly wrote:
-SWS wrote: I think publicly documenting and soliciting support is a great strategy.
Do you have to call it "Soliciting"?
What was I thinking?

I meant to say propositioning the entire message board this way is a GREAT idea! We're behind you all the way!

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Re: Can I have my own thread?

Post by Drowsy Dancer » Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:34 pm

SleepingUgly wrote:Do you have to call it "Soliciting"? I'm already on probation for Owning a Clinician's Manual and Changing One's Settings Without a Prescription.
And people wonder why we all use pseudonyms to post to this board...

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Re: Can I have my own thread?

Post by ozij » Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:38 pm

SleepingUgly wrote:Can I have my own thread where I can post my problems and people can inundate me with expressions of empathy and helpful, supportive advice? Where I can say blasphemous things like, "I dread going to bed with CPAP" and no one will get out their old hoses and whip me with them?
Looks like that excludes two by fours....

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Re: Can I have my own thread?

Post by robysue » Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:08 pm

SleepingUgly wrote:Sung to the tune of REO Speedwagon's Back On the Road Again (Does anyone know that song besides me?)
LOL, yes I recognize that song. And you definitely the rhythm right in your lyrics

More seriously though: I'm not sure I know what you mean by folks "who don't need to be on the hose" Like you, I don't desat at all with apneas and "hypopneas with arousal" and I have absolutely NO other medical issues, but clearly my sleep doctor, my PCP, my ENT, and my neurologist all seem to think I need to be on the hose.

Sleeping Ugly, I am so sorry to hear about the problems you've had with CPAP therapy disrupting your sleep, causing daytime sleepiness, and overall having a negative affect on your quality of life. I could easily have written your post many times since Sept. 23. Heck, I *have* written things very similar more times than I want to remember. I know I've written "I dread bedtime" more times than I can count---starting with night 3.

I know you've been following some of my posts at least off and on. Try not to let them get you too discouraged. And though it seems an awfully long time (to me at least), I am now grateful that I'm beginning to have genuinely good days---days where I have written "woke up refreshed" in my insomnia log. Not many of them yet. But a few. And they are getting a little less rare now. And if I can do it with the wonderful support from the people here, so can you. But I won't lie: The way will likely be long and tiring and frustrating: Lots of two steps forward and one step backwards. But we'll be here to catch you when you fall Sleeping Ugly!

For what it's worth, here's some of what I've learned as a (almost former) "light sleeper" who found every little thing about CPAP horribly irritating and deeply disturbing for the first three to four months of therapy and who is now (six and a half months in) now beginning to feel really good on some days and almost as good (cognitively speaking) as I was back before starting CPAP.

1) Don't accept "Give it more time, you'll eventually get used to it" either from your sleep doctor or from us. If you've identified specific problems related to CPAP that are leading to problems with sleep disruption, you're entitled to real ideas of things to try and real sympathy rather than blandly being told "give it more time". But the more specific you can be about the problem that needs to be solved, the more folks on the forum can help: I got more help than I ever thought I would on two threads entitled Chapped Lips and Chapped Nares and Does CPAP tickle the back of ANYBODY else's throat? which both started out as "I need to vent threads."

2) Read every suggestion given to you here on cpaptalk---even the ones that you don't think will work. Evenutally you may be desperate enough to try one of those "crazy" ideas and you might just find that it works--at least sort of. Never thought I'd use a neti pot, but finally I got brave enough to try after it was suggested one too many times as something to try with my seasonal allergies kicking in.

3) Deal with the INSOMNIA issues at the same time you're trying to adjust to CPAP. Since you are a light sleeper, you probably already know all about sleep hygiene. But go back and see what you can work on---there's always something that can be improved. It's a pain in the butt, but that "thing you don't want to do" for the insomnia may be the critical piece that's missing from the puzzle of solving your sleep problems. For me, I'd been able to resist for years the need for consistent bedtimes and wake up times seven days a week instead of sleeping in on my days off. When the PA insisted that I put that into place at the beginning of the year, it was a critical part of the progress I've made in genuinely taming my insomnia monster.

4) Consider keeping a sleep log for a while. Make notes (IN THE MORNING) about any thing you remember about CPAP-induced wake ups. The log will help you sort out what the biggest, most bothersome CPAP issues actually are. And that will give you a place to start working on the adjustment issues. The log will also likely help you identify the first subtle signs that the CPAP is finally making a positive difference. And it may also help you see progress you start to make on dealing with the light sleeping and more general insomnia issues as well as CPAP-related sleep disruption.

5) Give it your absolute best effort to put that mask on every single night: Any night that you choose to not mask up allows your mind and body to continue to believe that they do not have to learn how to accomodate the hose. And so they'll continue to scream at you the next time you put the hose on about all the things that are currently making you dread bedtime.

Best of luck and remember: You deserve your own threads as you try to readjust once more to CPAP.

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Re: Can I have my own thread?

Post by Mr Bill » Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:27 pm

I am still a light sleeper but I will hose up even if I intend to read. Its odd but now it makes me sleepy to hose up. I used to have sinusitis really bad and had months long bouts of bronchitis every spring and fall. But when I realized I had GERD and started sleeping on my back, my sinusitis went away which was wonderful. If you have any heart burn at all, try raising the head of your bed six inches. You will hardly notice and it will fix GERD related sinusitis.

Secondly, try using less humidity. My sinuses clog right up in high humidity. I get the best sleep in passive mode.
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Thirdly, I like what John said in the thread you linked. Maybe a smart bilevel machine can help more than a single pressure.

Although I tend to be a light sleeper, the occasional night of total zonk out is worth hours of lying there vaguely aware I am breathing in and out my little nasal mask.

Consider trying a straight nasal mask, I think they leak less (at least thats my impression from reading everyone else's trials with full face masks). They don't touch your nose so that keeps me from feeling claustrophobic (which makes my sinuses get stuffy). I have a huge head but a medium mask leaks less and has ended up being more comfortable than a large mask. I have no trouble keeping my mouth closed and I can now comfortably drink water when I'm thirsty (I keep a bottle by the pillow) while masked up now and at first that was a challenge. I've read several posts that mentioned that with time mouth breathers found they had acquired the knack of keeping the mouth closed. I've also read several post suggesting that therapy is best if the mouth is closed so maybe its a desirable goal no matter what.

Well, I sure hope you find a way to get some better sleep.
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Re: Can I have my own thread?

Post by Madalot » Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:27 am

SleepyingUgly,

Your original post seems to have disappeared, but I can get the gist from the replies. I wish I could have read your entire post instead of just the pieces quoted by others.

I'm sorry you're having difficulties right now. I think of you as one of the "foundations" here that is always ready and willing to help others -- and everyone will be here for you to help you through...even if all that means is just a big hug to let you know we care.

And we do....

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Can I have my own thread?

Post by So Well » Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:35 am

SleepingUgly wrote:Can I have my own thread?
Here, you can have a whole box.

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Re: Can I have my own thread?

Post by TalonNYC » Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:21 am

SleepingUgly wrote:Anyway, so what say you all? Can I have my own thread?
Considering they gave me (a newbie) my thread to post daily updates, I'd say HELL YES! Post away! It's been extremely helpful for keeping me on-track.

Hang in there, and I look forward to your posts!

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Re: Can I have my own thread?

Post by -SWS » Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:14 am

Someone spam-deleted SU's original post?

Spam-deleting an argumentative or viscous post is a clear misuse of the spam button as Johnny intended it. We seem to have had a lot of that lately. But spam-deleting a post in which a member asks for HELP is just plain wrong at too many levels.

Eliminating a post recruiting help----on our message board dedicated to providing help----is the ULTIMATE infraction IMO.

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Re: Can I have my own thread?

Post by Madalot » Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:21 am

-SWS wrote:Someone spam-deleted SU's original post?

Spam-deleting an argumentative or viscous post is a clear misuse of the spam button as Johnny intended it. We seem to have had a lot of that lately. But spam-deleting a post in which a member asks for HELP is just plain wrong at too many levels.

Eliminating a post recruiting help----on a message board dedicated to providing help----is the ULTIMATE infraction IMO.
I agree with you. I was offline most of yesterday due to power outage and just saw the thread this morning. I was taken aback when the original post wasn't there, especially when I started seeing what it was about.

Made me a bit angry.

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Re: Can I have my own thread?

Post by So Well » Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:28 am

-SWS wrote:
Eliminating a post recruiting help----on our message board dedicated to providing help----is the ULTIMATE infraction IMO.
Wait a minute. Think that through.

An ultimate infraction calls for banishment from the site.

The infraction at hand (assuming it is the sole infraction) is elegantly solved by disabling the offender's Remove Spam button.

Eh?
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Re: Can I have my own thread?

Post by -SWS » Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:37 am

Someone blocking the efforts of another person seeking help admittedly has me too annoyed to WANT to think this nonsense through clearly. We're an ad-hoc community that exists for the purpose of HELPING others with CPAP and sleep---not hindering others...

I'm sure Johnny, Carolyn, or one of the admins will think that infraction through with their usual judicious and clear-headed reasoning style.

P.S. Welcome back, So Well.

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Re: Can I have my own thread?

Post by jnk » Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:11 am

I don't like the location of the "Report Spam" button myself. I have hit it accidentally on two occasions in the past in my overly eager attempts to hit the "Quote" button during moments of particular brain damage. (Yes, I can be a sloppy clicker.) In the panic of the moment, I can see that it would even be easy to accidentally confirm the deletion, although, to the best of my knowledge, I have never made that mistake, to actually delete anything that wasn't spam.

SleepingUgly's original post was a true work of art that I think could be one of the most helpful posts in one of the most helpful threads I've ever seen started on this board, in my opinon. Isn't there some way to get it back????!!!!

PS: I hope one day she forgives me for calling one of her views "mainstream" once upon a time. I didn't mean it. She is far and away above mainstream--particularly when it comes to bravery, sincerity, and sheer helpfulness, as this thread proves.

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Re: Can I have my own thread?

Post by DoriC » Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:41 am

How exactly does this work? I've never used the Report Spam button. Are Johnny/Carolyn aware of the "reporter"? What are the consequences of an "illegal" spam report? Is there a way to know who did this? Can SU's original post be restored?

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Re: Can I have my own thread?

Post by Madalot » Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:44 am

DoriC wrote::evil: How exactly does this work? I've never used the Report Spam button. Are Johnny/Carolyn aware of the "reporter"? What are the consequences of an "illegal" spam report? Is there a way to know who did this? Can SU's original post be restored?
I believe so Dori, and I hope so because I would like to read the original post in its entirety.

I believe (but could be wrong) that Carolyn and/or Johnny review all Spammed posts and can restore them if they were not spam.

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