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Re: OT: weight loss thanks to members here

Post by DaveL » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:49 am

Thanks for the posts.
I'm overweight and will go and check out these lings.

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Re: OT: weight loss thanks to members here

Post by BlackSpinner » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:58 am

SleepingUgly wrote: I would like to eat healthier. I don't have much weight to lose, but I used to be able to eat much of what I wanted (NOT gallons of ice cream or chocolate or anything, but candy a few times a week, pretzels and low fat popcorn every night), and I weighed less than I do now. I know there aren't many people I will get sympathy from that I can no longer eat what I want, but after a lifetime of not having to be as careful as other people about what I eat, it's hard to suddenly accept this. I think could better accept it if I could shift my attitudes from deprived of what I used to be able to eat to I'm developing healthier eating habits. Not sure what to change to, though. Some say carbs at night are OK, some say no carbs at night. There's only so many times I can eat an egg white omelet at night or a can of tuna. And I'm still not sure that's the best approach to losing a few pounds. Dr. Roizen & Oz's book is pretty good, but I'm already at their ideal "waist" size (they prefer that approach than pounds). Any recommendations, including book recommendations, for someone like me?
Actually the low carb surprised me. It was like being a kid again and not eating the crust. I started by eating open face sandwiches - all the good parts, half the carbs. If you go low carb you don't have to go low fat too. You get the whole egg and all the meats and tasty stuff and you feel fuller longer. Then I put the sandwich fillings on a salad instead.

I have to admit right now I am off the wagon because I am so broke. Mostly eating whole wheat though with tuna, or sardines or cheese. Fresh fruit and vegies are extremely expensive at this time of year. However the amount of weight lifting I have been doing the last few weeks coupled with 2 weeks when all food tasted off seems to have off set my poverty diet.

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Re: OT: weight loss thanks to members here

Post by SleepingUgly » Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:42 pm

BlackSpinner wrote: If you go low carb you don't have to go low fat too. You get the whole egg and all the meats and tasty stuff and you feel fuller longer.
I admit I've read next to nothing on the subject, but I thought that a low carb diet results in quick weight loss due to water loss, but that in the long run most people on low carb diets regain weight. Is this completely off base?
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Re: OT: weight loss thanks to members here

Post by JeffH » Fri Feb 04, 2011 2:51 pm

Here's an example of what primal eating / living can do for you.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-unco ... more-19240

And here is my example. I'm the third story down.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/3-more-s ... more-17686

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Re: OT: weight loss thanks to members here

Post by BlackSpinner » Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:02 pm

SleepingUgly wrote:
BlackSpinner wrote: If you go low carb you don't have to go low fat too. You get the whole egg and all the meats and tasty stuff and you feel fuller longer.
I admit I've read next to nothing on the subject, but I thought that a low carb diet results in quick weight loss due to water loss, but that in the long run most people on low carb diets regain weight. Is this completely off base?

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Low carb is the basis of most good up to date diabetic diets.

Think of it - out of the millions of years of development we have been eating low carb (and walking at least 10 miles a day to get it) Then for the last 9000 - 2000 years (for western culture) we have been eating grains ie carbs as our main food source. To which is our body better adapted? This is one of the big reasons many Native Americans have such problems with diabetes, they have only been eating a high carb diet for the the last few hundred years. Those of us who's agriculture goes back farther have already eliminated a lot of would be ancestors with it.

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Re: OT: weight loss thanks to members here

Post by SleepingUgly » Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:12 pm

Are the primal blueprint and the paleo diet similar perspectives?
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Re: OT: weight loss thanks to members here

Post by SleepyT » Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:46 pm

JeffH wrote:Here's an example of what primal eating / living can do for you.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-unco ... more-19240

And here is my example. I'm the third story down.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/3-more-s ... more-17686

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Re: OT: weight loss thanks to members here

Post by JeffH » Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:59 pm

SleepingUgly wrote:Are the primal blueprint and the paleo diet similar perspectives?
They are the same thing. The basis is that for 2 million years we ate meat, fowl, fish, some veggies, a few nuts and a little fruit. 10,000 years ago we started growing things that we didn't eat before and it's been down hill ever since. People that eat this way eat all they want and loose weight, I did. It is not a diet but a lifestyle choice.

Also, since our meals weren't in the icebox for easy access three times a day man naturally tried to conserve energy since he wasn't sure when the next time he was going to eat would be. Laziness is part of the lifestyle. Therefore the short, intense, random workouts. Cardio is out. Art DeVany is another one to look up. He is 73 years old and in fantastic shape. Works out 1.5 hours a week. Like I said earlier, it's 80% what you eat and 20% what you do.

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Re: OT: weight loss thanks to members here

Post by roster » Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:39 pm


That's great JeffH. Looks like about half now. Too bad you did not take it all off your "left" side.
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Re: OT: weight loss thanks to members here

Post by BlackSpinner » Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:21 pm

gvz wrote: They also ate ants.
Hmm. I will ask my local butcher to see if he can procure any of the above bolded items, so that I too can get on the Paleo diet.
You can get those in Indonesian stores as well as deep fried grasshoppers but the chocolate covered ones are not period.

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Post by roster » Fri Feb 04, 2011 6:51 pm

gvz wrote:I was curious so I looked up "paleo man" on a few Internet encyclopedias to see if there was anything about their diet that might be helpful for a newbie to learn about.

The debate about what we should be eating is at least as old as Paleo Man.

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Re: OT: weight loss thanks to members here

Post by BlackSpinner » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:31 pm

[quote="gvz"

Thanks BlackSpinner. Well, my butcher will probably look at me a little funny if I ask him to get some mammoth or horse meat. So that leaves me with bugs and roadkill.[/quote]

Horse meat is available at many european butchers. It is a little on the tough side for most Americans' taste. I like it smoked personally.

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Post by JeffH » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:34 pm

gvz wrote:I was curious so I looked up "paleo man" on a few Internet encyclopedias to see if there was anything about their diet that might be helpful for a newbie to learn about.

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Cro-Magnon Man is a name applied to the earliest known European examples of Homo sapiens sapiens, modern human beings. Cro-Magnons lived from about 40,000 to 10,000 years ago in the Upper Paleolithic period of the Pleistocene epoch. For all intents and purposes, the Cro-Magnons were anatomically modern, differing from their modern-day descendants in Europe only by their slightly more robust physiology and larger brain capacity

Like Neanderthals, the Cro-Magnon were primarily big-game hunters, killing mammoth, cave bears, horses and reindeer. They would have been nomadic or semi-nomadic, following the annual migration of their prey.

Cro-Magnon man ate a variety of seeds, berries, roots, and nuts. They ate fish as well. They stored food for the winter. They altered their diet according to seasonal and other challenges to survive. They got all the soft fruit they wanted during the wet season. They also ate ants. They could not manufacture vitamin C. They used stones as tools to open skulls and bones for brain and marrowfat. They would eat leopard's prey that was left in the trees. Insects and bird eggs were available. O blood group was the most common and ancient, therefore, they should have avoided dairy and wheat products. They started drinking milk around 4000 B.C.

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Hmm. I will ask my local butcher to see if he can procure any of the above bolded items, so that I too can get on the Paleo diet.
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