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neversleeps · Post by **neversleeps** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:39 pm

Wow.

You know, I can understand not wanting to get out of a nice warm bed, disconnecting the hose, turning off the machine and trotting off to the bathroom. But rigging a catheter-like device through the mattress is.... very disconcerting.

Then again, Tiny Tim was so lazy he took it one step further and wore Depends. And not just at night, but ALL the time. Now THAT's LAZY!!!!!

CollegeGirl · Post by **CollegeGirl** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 7:27 pm

If you've noticed, "compliance" hours and "blower" hours are two different things. I can only vouch for my machine since that's all I have experience with, but I'm pretty sure they all work the same way.

They can TELL when your'e not breathing into them (ie, not using them). Regardless of whether you turn it off or leave it blowing, you're still going to get the same compliance numbers either way. It doesn't make a difference in your treatment.

ProfessorSleep, getting up to go to the bathroom and turning off your machine will not affect your session data in any way.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:40 pm

Craig wrote:
mikemoran wrote:Man all these fantastic ideas. Why didn't I think of any of them before I installed the toilet next to my bed? LOL

Well, I've seen a lot of ideas and one that I can actually use - the hose quick connector.

I'm not sure some of the others are really workable but I did go one step further than mikemoran. I didn't have the money for a plumber or the skills to do it myself so installing a privy next to my bed wasn't an option.

I did try the runner over the carpet for a while between bed and toilet to save wear and tear, but it didn't help with the frequency of trips required.

The medical community says my prostrate is 'normal' so that isn't in the picture.

I don't drink liquids after 7:00 PM and seldom retire before 11:00 PM. The 90 minute rule doesn't seem to apply to me. My internal plumbing seemingly is much more efficient in that drink to draining is about 30-45 minutes.

I didn't tell you of my other action to alleviate my 'frequency' problem as it is rather personal and wouldn't be possible for the ladies and many men.

In my case the cost was a lot less than a plumber or parts to move the toilet.

I borrowed a large bore wood bit and drill from a neighbor and bid on an old fashion chamber pot at an estate sale.

I purchased an 30" air hose for my APAP and ran it from the chamber pot up through the hole I made in the springs and mattress. This allows about 6" of the hose to stick above the mattress. Insertion of my "drain spout", into the hose, is accomplished via a silicone step down adapter I fashioned. Thus, due to the EXCELLENT genes on the male side of my family, I am able to comfortably turn left or right without putting any strain on my 'spout'.

For those of you who may wish to try this approach I must caution you that it isn't without problems.

As indicated, length of spout must be sufficient to allow turning to either left or right side, unless of course, you want to waste funds on buying a longer hose.

Secondly, to really take advantage of this system you must have the will power to overcome the urge to awaken and trod to the toilet. In other words, you must have the strength of character to revert to intentional bed wetting.

I want to thank all who assisted me with their answers. I hope my thoughts and comments were of assistance to some.

Craig

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:04 pm

Anybody else here just run a loooonnnnggggg catheter tube from the bed all the way to the toilet?

ozij · Post by **ozij** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:39 am

ProfessorSleep wrote:Has anyone tried this disconnecting technique with a 420E? I've noticed the machine goes berserk and gives a leak error message whenever it runs without a mask connected. The noise of the blowing would wake the household, yet if it were turned off, it might skew session data (a session being a time from on to off). I wake up (less than I used to, though - so there's the CPAP benefit) but don't want to get up because of how the machine might react.

I alway turn off the 420E when I get up. I want my session data to reflect the fact that I woke up, and I also want the bennefits of the machine's 15 min. settling time, in which it doesn't count or report events when I'm falling asleep again.

As a matter of fact, although the machine might not count the time when nobody is connected to it, it's apparently not smart enough not to use that time in it's pressure calculations. So, on those days when I've run the machine on empty - for instance when I got my heated hose and wanted to blow away the smell of new, or need to dry a mask - I get a skewed average pressure.

I can't see how turning off the machine when you get up skews session data -the fact that you are awake enough to get up is actually important session data. The machine adds the time you've slept from all sessions - no problem there.

I also added a -.5 (minus half) 5 minute ramp, to use when I'm awake, and annoyed enough at being awake to want to record it. Sometimes I wake up - or semi wake - adjust the mask, and fall asleep again jmmediately. Other times, I'm awake enought to want to bang the ramp button in order to record my waking - and I do.

I woke up rather frequently when my top pressure was higher - but ever since I lowered it, I sleep better - and have the data in less ramps to prove it....

O.