Quattro FX -- Please post feedback on it

kennethryan · Post by **kennethryan** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:05 am

I too just had my first night on the new mask. Like you, it started out well but as my face relaxed while falling asleep it shifted and I started getting leaks under my eyes. Also when attempting to sleep on my side it shifts. The latter is no surprise my Quattro does that too, I usually need to stay in one particular orientation with the pillow supporting the side of the mask a certain way. This mask also feels like it's trying to push my nose up onto my forehead (the Quattro on the other hand tries to push my chin into my throat). I know this is a sign I have it too tight, alas the shape of my face requires it to be on the tight side and in any case the upper straps are at their very limit (the lower straps are close). I didn't think I was that much a fathead!

I bought a Medium mask (see earlier in the thread). The sizing tool that came with it puts me squarely in a small, but as I feared I don't see how the mask can be any narrower and still cover my mouth.

Fortunately I kept my old mask handy, so after an hour or so of fiddling around I switched back so I could sleep the night.

I'll give another try tonight. Wish I'd remembered to add on the return insurance when I bought the thing...

flowergal3 · Post by **flowergal3** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:01 pm

I'm a rookie at this, so my opinion probably doesn't mean much, but here I am again.....I just spent my third night with the Quattro FX. I'm still not sure what to think about the sizing either. The DME and the little measurement gauge put me in a Small, but the mask seems to want to crawl up on my face and I end up with the corners of my mouth sort of 'hanging out'. Also, as I mentioned before, the silicone around my mouth ends up turning up on edge as the night goes on which is really uncomfortable. I wonder if the Medium would be better, but then after reading trytryagain and kennethryan's response I'm not sure if that would help or not, as they also experienced leaks. But I'd be game to try.

And I'm still having problems with the silicone liner separating from the plastic mask under higher pressures. At 8 to 10 it stays in place, but when my pressure goes above 12, suddenly the liner is trying to part ways with the mask.

Last night I took a very small rubber band and put it around the hose attachment and hooked the top end around the little tab on the top of the liner and that managed to keep the top of the liner from creeping out, but last night I woke up to a howling windstorm when the pressure went up again. I tried tightening the straps more, which puts a lot more pressure on the nose (still more comfortable than my original Quattro, though) and managed to sleep another hour before I started springing leaks along my cheeks and eyes. It was making so much flapping noise, my dog started barking, lol.

This is my third FF mask (two nasal masks didn't work out) that I'm trying out, and so far, the most comfortable for me as I am a side sleeper. For awhile, I'm able to just lay my head on the pillow like the 'old days' and not have to try to sleep in a rigid, fixed position to keep the mask from leaking, which of course fails when I finally fall asleep and move to a more comfortable position. I hope I can retrain my brain to hold still subconsciously at some point or learn to sleep with an arm supporting it or something. I've been noticing how sore my neck muscles are from trying to hold my head in one position all night; I have a new pillow coming and hope that will help a little.

Debating going back to the DME one more time before my 30 days is up (yes, he's got a Goldilocks on his hands and he knows it) just to see if a Medium would work. I still love having no headgear to deal with; I think it could be a winner if I can just get past the leak issues and the silicone flipping up on edge around the mouth.

One thing for sure, CPAP therapy ain't for sissies! (and I'm getting closer and closer to sissy-dom)

kennethryan · Post by **kennethryan** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:45 am

Yeah, I'm thinking the FX isn't going to be working out for me. It just doesn't seem to be stable enough for the shape of my face.

Problem 1 seems to be the the fact that the attach points for the straps are far apart side-to-side but short top-to-bottom. That lets the mask rock easily up and down. The bottom seems to hold its seal OK with that, but the top does not.

Problem 2 seems to be the width of the rigid springs means when I lie on my side the assembly gets pushed over by the pillow. Others here seem to not have a problem with that; I'd be interested in hearing what kind of pillows are used by those having good luck side-sleeping with this mask. I use a contoured memory-foam pillow most of the time.

Problem 3 seems to be the tension angle of the upper straps. The upper springs have a curve between the mask and the strap attach; presumably that is to keep the strap away from the eyes. However the straps then are angled so they pull up as well as back. Since there is nothing providing balancing tension in the downward direction I think that's why I (and I think a couple others) are having trouble with the mask riding up.

I'm now trying to decide if trying a size small will help or not. It might at least help #3, if it ends up with tension in the right place compared to my cheekbones. Maybe with suggestions from folks here having better luck I can fix #2. I'm not sure about #1 though, it seems that is an inherent flaw (likely the same flaw in any FFM without a forehead brace). Alas, I buy from our hosts not a DME so experimenting could get expensive (even if I do remember to add return insurance).

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:23 pm

Well, blow me away with a feather.. I just tried on the small Quattro FX that I ordered (along with return insurance) from cpap.com.
Remember, I have been using a medium Quattro FX for some days now. I have been completely satisfied with the medium Quattro FX.

However, this small Quattro FX may actually work better than the medium Quattro FX. It is so diminuitive (somebody help me with the spelling) that wearing it looks and feels like a nasal mask with just enough room for your mouth.

kennethryan wrote:The sizing tool that came with it puts me squarely in a small, but as I feared I don't see how the mask can be any narrower and still cover my mouth.

I had the same outcome that kennethryan had, the sizing tool that comes with the Quattro FX puts me squarely on the small, but I originally ordered the medium Quattro FX because I also wore a medium (Not FX) Quattro.

Tonight I will wear the small Quattro FX (per the sizing guide).

The only modification I have made is attaching the medium head Quattro FX Head Gear to the small Quattro FX mask. Because, as usual, I believe I'm smarter than ResMed. Go figure..

I will let you know how life goes with the small Quattro FX on my old medium Quattro face.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:02 pm

Banned wrote: The only modification I have made is attaching the medium head Quattro FX Head Gear to the small Quattro FX mask. Because, as usual, I believe I'm smarter than ResMed. Go figure..

Which was a rather pointless excercise because I just noticed the small Quattro FX ships with the medium Quattro FX Head Gear!

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:14 pm

kennethryan wrote:I
I bought a Medium mask (see earlier in the thread).

Hey kennethryan, what are the damages for the bum information I gave you when I said to buy a medium Quattro FX?

But the small Quattro FX still may not work for you because didn't you say you had a big mouth, I mean wide mouth?

The small Quattro FX runs about 1/8 inch narrower width then the medium Quattro FX.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:15 pm

Am I all alone here? I need to get a life.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:18 pm

Written in error

SleepingUgly · Post by **SleepingUgly** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:44 pm

OK, now I'm totally confused. Banned, did you use the plastic sizing tool to determine you need a Medium? Please report back on how it goes with the Small.

avi123 · Post by **avi123** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:51 pm

SleepingUgly wrote:I wanted to start one thread in which people would post their experience with the new Quattro Fx. I remember seeing some feedback interspersed in some threads, but I searched for it again and couldn't easily find it. I'm hoping people will post here.

I have a very narrow nose bridge and the Quattro pulverized my nose bridge. I'm hoping people who had this sort of trouble with the Quattro but are now using the Quattro FX can speak to how it differs.

Thanks!

Comments:

I have been glancing thru the three pages of posts and still can't make up the pluses vs. the minuses of this new mask. I am looking for a reliable full face mask because in my opinion using a full face mask is the only way to avoiding mouth leaks, besides taping the mouth. Since mouth- leak is experienced by around 40% of CPAP users, I don't understand why so many are using other kinds of masks and thus they are jeopardising their therapy effectiveness?

p.s.SleepingUgly, did it ever occur to you that with your Avatar you're infringing on lots of proprietary trademarks? It would be a pity to see you go b/c of it.

scrapper · Post by **scrapper** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:08 pm

p.s.SleepingUgly, did it ever occur to you that with your Avatar you're infringing on lots of proprietary trademarks? It would be a pity to see you go b/c of it.

Thanks "Sleeping Ugly" for all of the help and support you give to all of us.

I have been watching this thread with interest--appreciate hearing the experiences of individuals who have tried this mask, and your efforts to keep it at the top of the forum for a few days.

SleepingUgly · Post by **SleepingUgly** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:16 pm

avi123 wrote:p.s.SleepingUgly, did it ever occur to you that with your Avatar you're infringing on lots of proprietary trademarks? It would be a pity to see you go b/c of it.

Go to prison, you mean? Do not worry, my friend, I will plead Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity to the charge of Infringing on Lots of Proprietary Trademarks. Having posted this plan, I will have no chance of being found NGRI. I will therefore be sent to prison, which I look forward to as the only vacation I'm going to get in the near foreseeable future.

Actually, now that I think about it, my best bet is probably to accept a plea bargain whereby I get a reduced sentence in an exchange for guilty pleas to the charges of Possession of a CPAP Clinician's Manual and Changing One's CPAP Settings Without a Prescription.

-SWS · Post by **-SWS** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:30 pm

North Carolina
• A recent proposal that ministers walk the beat with police officers in Belmont, N.C., notes "the ministers will carry a Bible instead of a gun."
• An ordinance proposed in Robbins, N.C., states, "In the future, anyone not living within the immediate vicinity of Robbins must have a permit from the Chief of Police and okayed by the Mayor or one of the Commissioners." It's not clear what the permit is for, but they may be on to something.
• In Robbins, N.C., anyone who refuses to black out after hearing the blackout signal is subject to a $5 fine.
• A marriage can be declared void if either of the two persons is physically impotent.
• All couples staying overnight in a hotel must have a room with double beds that are at least two feet apart. Making love in the space between the beds is strictly forbidden.
• All couples staying overnight in a hotel must have a room with double beds that are at least two feet apart.
• Barber: Fights between cats and dogs are prohibited.
• By town law the sewer service charge in Belhaven, N.C., used to be "$2 per month, per stool." It was recently changed to read "per toilet."
• Because people were using them for cheap furniture, it's now illegal in North Carolina to take and sell labeled milk crates.
• Chapel Hill: It is a misdemeanor to urinate or defecate publicly.
• Charlotte: Women must have their bodies covered by at least 16 yards of cloth at all times. E
• Elephants may not be used to plow cotton fields.
• Fights between cats and dogs are prohibited.
• Forest City: You must stop and call City Hall before entering town in an automobile. This is so the townspeople will have time to go out and hold their horses until you get through town.
• Greensboro: Restaurants "with on sidewalk dining" must post their menu so that it is clearly readable from the sidewalk, but is not readable from the street.
• Hornytown: Massage parlors have been banned.
• In Asheville, North Carolina, it is illegal to sneeze on city streets.
• In Raleigh, North Carolina, before a man asks for a woman's hand in marriage, he must be "inspected by all the barnyard animals on the young woman's family's property, to ensure a harmonious farm life."
• If a man and a woman who aren't married go to a hotel/motel and register themselves as married then, according to state law, they are legally married.
• If you happen to own a marl bed in North Carolina, the law demands that you put a fence around it. A marl bed may not be what you think. It is a kind of rock quarry.
• In Barber, North Carolina fights between cats and dogs are prohibited.
• In Chapel Hill, North Carolina it is a misdemeanor to urinate or defecate publicly.
• In Charlotte, NC, woman must have their bodies covered with at least 16 yards of cloth at all times.
• In Forest City, N.C., it's illegal to bring a pea-shooter to a parade. It's also illegal to shoot paper clips with rubber bands.
• In Mooresville, N.C., it's illegal to attach anything to a pool table.
• In Nags Headm North Carolina you can be fined for singing out of tune for more than ninety seconds.
• In Rockwell, N.C., anyone who violates the terms of a proclamation--such as failing to appropriately celebrate Peanut Day or Jaycees Week--is guilty of a misdemeanor.
• North Carolina just passed a law saying a political action committee, or PAC, has to have a name that describes the group's cause or purpose. The idea is to prohibit, say, the highway or tobacco lobbies from calling themselves "Citizens for Good Government."
•In North Carolina it's illegal to dig ginseng on other people's property between the months of April and September, according to an 1866 law.
• In North Carolina it's illegal to sell cotton lint at night. It's also legal to sell cottonseed at night.
• In North Carolina it is illegal to make love on the floor of a hotel room between two double beds.
• In Winston-Salem, North Carolina, it is against the law for children under seven years of age to go to college.
• It is against the law to roller blade on a state highway.
• It is illegal to have sex in a churchyard.
• It's against the law to sing off key in North Carolina.
• It's against the law to sing off key.
• It's unlawful to attract a crowd in Forest City, N.C., except when aching the Gospel, politicking or "serenading on occasion of public rejoicing."
• Kill Devil Hills: You may not ride a bicycle without having both your hands on the handle bars.
• Making love in the space between the beds is strictly forbidden.
• North Carolina forbids sex outside of marriage, or "fornication," but the girlfriend as well as the man would have to be prosecuted.
• Oral sex is considered a crime against nature.
• Punching an official at a youth sports program in Nashville, N.C., incurs a three-year suspension from the program for adult spectators as well as participants.
• Rocky Mount: It is required that you must pay a property tax on your dog.
• Southern Shores: It is against the law to roller-blade on a state highway.
• Thomasville, North Carolina, prohibits airplanes from flying over the town on Sundays during the hours between 11 a.m. and 1 p.m.
• The good people of Tryon, N.C., are serious about getting a good night's sleep. It's against the law for anyone to keep "fowl that shall cackle," or for anyone to play the piccolo between the hours of 11 p.m. and 7:30 a.m.
• While having sex, you must stay in the missionary position and have the shades pulled.
• You can't sneeze on the streets of Asheville, North Carolina.
• You may not ride a bicycle without having both your hands on the handle bars.
lon College: There is to be no roller-blading during daylight hours, on the roads, or on the bricks. All the sidewalks at this college are made of brick.

AVI123, it would be a shame if you're not in compliance with any of the above N.C. laws that happen to apply to your area. There's LOTS there to look over...

P.S. The jaywalkers have been just hellacious in our area lately...

SleepingUgly · Post by **SleepingUgly** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 9:45 pm

• In Raleigh, North Carolina, before a man asks for a woman's hand in marriage, he must be "inspected by all the barnyard animals on the young woman's family's property, to ensure a harmonious farm life."
• If a man and a woman who aren't married go to a hotel/motel and register themselves as married then, according to state law, they are legally married.

Although, I'm wondering, if the barnyard animals DO NOT approve, but the couple does go to the hotel and register themselves as married and therefore are considered legally married, are they truly legally married even in the eyes of the barnyard animals?

I'm a bit bummed about this one:

• All couples staying overnight in a hotel must have a room with double beds that are at least two feet apart. Making love in the space between the beds is strictly forbidden.

I had really looked forward to making love wedged between two beds in a space of two feet. What a drag.

-SWS, thanks for a good laugh that I needed!

DoriC · Post by **DoriC** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:51 pm

avi123 wrote:
SleepingUgly wrote:I wanted to start one thread in which people would post their experience with the new Quattro Fx. I remember seeing some feedback interspersed in some threads, but I searched for it again and couldn't easily find it. I'm hoping people will post here.

p.s.SleepingUgly, did it ever occur to you that with your Avatar you're infringing on lots of proprietary trademarks? It would be a pity to see you go b/c of it.

SU, If you go I'm going with you! Jail is sounding pretty good to me right now!

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