Installing Encore Pro - for use with MyEncore.

General Discussion on any topic relating to CPAP and/or Sleep Apnea.
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Post by rested gal » Wed Dec 07, 2005 2:14 am

Jerry69 wrote:My untreated AHI, from the sleep study was only 9.5.
Jerry, I'm not a doctor or anything in the health care field. ozij gave some very good links and good advice.

I personally wouldn't consider 9.5 as an AHI to regard as "only", if you're thinking of it as mild enough to perhaps not need treatment. Having enough blockage to interfere with breathing on an average of almost ten times an hour is not a minor thing for the body to deal with - every night.

Just as important would be how much desatting is going on in your sleep if untreated...how low your O2 is dipping. Also important - how many disruptions to sleep are happening. If you looked at the actual numbers of arousals apart from the events that meet the official criteria for apneas and hypopneas, you might find that your sleep is being disturbed quite a bit more than "mild" would indicate.

As ozij pointed out, consulting with your doctor is important. The doctor might point out features in your sleep study that indicate a greater need for cpap treatment than a single number - the AHI alone - shows.

Regarding the snores you see on Encore data: I personally would not pay any attention to them if your wife is not noting snoring. I see a lot of snores reported on Encore when I use my REMstar auto/c-flex, but no snores reported on Silverlining when I use my 420E auto. Exact same pressure range set for both machines and both come up with the same low AHI for the night and use the same pressure for me throughout the night. I really do believe the "snores" index and snore tick marks are being reported erroneously in some way on the REMstar -- not really happening.

I get that discrepancy in the snore reports even if I turn C-Flex off to make the pressure setting completely match my 420E's settings. My guess is that your machine is eliminating snores, just as mine is, no matter what our "snores" index says with the REMstar.
You have your wife to doublecheck that for you. I have my 420E.

If you have the full reports from your sleep study and titration night, you might want to post them in the Sleep Studies forum of the ASAA board. sleepydave is great at making sense of the important aspects of a study and interpreting what really was going on in your sleep during your study nights.

It's been said before, but bears repeating...we can get so accustomed to the sub par way we feel over the years of untreated sleep apnea that we think that feeling is normal. "I'm a little tired, but hey, that's the way I always feel." It can take weeks or months of cpap treatment to feel better. It's also not unusual for some people to feel worse before they feel better. The disruptions while getting used to the equipment and getting a suitable mask can prevent feeling truly refreshed until we get fully accusomed to sleeping in this strange new way.

The main benefit (imho) to continuing this treatment even if your AHI landed you in the mild category is that whether you feel good effects or not, you have the assurance that you're preventing further damage. You've stopped at least that much chipping away -- damage night after night after night. "Mild" damage every night sure can add up over time.

Glad you got the software program going!

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Post by derek » Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:31 am

Gerry,
Did yo get MyEncore 1.5 to work yet? I am interested as to why it doesn't detect the database for some people... I'll be happy to work with you on this.

Here's something to try - see my post on osql above. Open a command window and type:

osql -E

This will attempt to open the SQL server using your Windows login. If it is successful you will get a prompt
1>
indicating that the SQL server recognizes you. If you don't get the 1> we can work from there.
If it was ok, see if you can access the Encore Pro database by trying the following:
1> USE encorepro
2> go
and if that's successful you should get the 1> prompt again. Type quit to exit.

Let me know what happens.

Derek


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Trying to Access the Database With MyEncore

Post by Jerry69 » Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:54 am

Derek,

This is what I got:

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CMD gave the prompt you see, so I typed 'osql -E'

My DOS is so poor that I don't know how to get to c:\.

Jerry

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Un-treated AHI = 9.5
Titrated prssure: 6 cm
Ave. AHI after therapy = 0.5
Ave. Snore Index = <10
Current pressure = 9 cm

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Post by Jerry69 » Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:59 am

[quote="ozij"]Jerry,
I usually find that I feel better when my AHI is less than 3. The formal numbers are just that - formal numbers, some of them meant for defining the cut point of where insurance will or will not pay.

Here are two papers you might be intertested in reading, one about the "one night" paradigm, the other about the AHI as a measure.

Standard Diagnostic Test For Sleep Apnea Does Not Detect Condition In Many Patients

The AHI - useful or useless


You've got the software, so you can try some experimental changes - nasal rinses help with the congestion, a slight raise in pressure, or a different mask (which you're planning in any case).

I am not a doctor, etc. so all disclaimers apply. Use your best judgement, and counsult with you doctor.

You've been on therapy for less than a month, and for some of us, feeling the changes takes time.

Good luck!
O.


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Un-treated AHI = 9.5
Titrated prssure: 6 cm
Ave. AHI after therapy = 0.5
Ave. Snore Index = <10
Current pressure = 9 cm

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To CPAP Or Not

Post by Jerry69 » Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:04 am

The main benefit (imho) to continuing this treatment even if your AHI landed you in the mild category is that whether you feel good effects or not, you have the assurance that you're preventing further damage. You've stopped at least that much chipping away -- damage night after night after night. "Mild" damage every night sure can add up over time.
Rested Gal,

Thanks once again for your inspirational and logical support. You stepped in after my first miserable night on CPAP and encouraged me. I'm doing fine, now, with the 'hook-up'. Don't mind it at all.

Jerry


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Un-treated AHI = 9.5
Titrated prssure: 6 cm
Ave. AHI after therapy = 0.5
Ave. Snore Index = <10
Current pressure = 9 cm

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AHI's

Post by Jerry69 » Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:52 am

ozij,

Reading those articles you referenced makes you realize that OSD is not an exact science. But, what is, besides mathematics?

This article was particularly questioning: http://www.pulmonaryreviews.com/sep02/p ... Index.html

And, then, this statement:
He defines severe cases as those with an AHI of 30 to 50 events per hour or greater. “This is definitely bad … and I want to treat it,” he stressed. Obstructive sleep apnea symptoms are also likely to be severe enough to warrant treatment in patients with an AHI of about 20 per hour; SDB can probably be ruled out at an AHI of about 10 per hour.


Is it his opinion that AHI's of 10 or less don't require CPAP?

Anyway, it is only one man's opinion...if that is what he meant.

Jerry


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Un-treated AHI = 9.5
Titrated prssure: 6 cm
Ave. AHI after therapy = 0.5
Ave. Snore Index = <10
Current pressure = 9 cm

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Accessing the Database

Post by Jerry69 » Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:42 am

Derek,

Here's my user screen:



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I don't know what account that 'ASP.NET Machine A...' limited account is. But, I log on as 'Owner'.

Here's another print screen that shows the result of doing osql -E at a C:\, rather than the screen I showed previously:

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[My DOS is so bad, I had to try several things to get a C prompt.]

One thing, I'm not using a password to log on as 'Owner' . Would it make any difference if I did?

Jerry

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Un-treated AHI = 9.5
Titrated prssure: 6 cm
Ave. AHI after therapy = 0.5
Ave. Snore Index = <10
Current pressure = 9 cm

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Accessing the MS SQL Server

Post by Jerry69 » Wed Dec 07, 2005 12:13 pm

Derek,

Since my 'Owner' account was not allowing access, I created another account with Administrator privileges. I logged on with that account, but still couldn't access the database.

Just trying various things.

Jerry

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Un-treated AHI = 9.5
Titrated prssure: 6 cm
Ave. AHI after therapy = 0.5
Ave. Snore Index = <10
Current pressure = 9 cm

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Post by derek » Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:08 pm

Jerry,
Ric is also having the same problem. The osql test indicates that for some reason you cannot access the MSSQL server. I get exactly the same response if I turn off the server. So the next question is - are you sure the MSSQL server is running? You should see its icon in the system tray. A green triangle in the icon means it is running - a red square means it is stopped.

Another (remote) possibility: would you check that you have "File and Printer Sharing" enabled in your network properties. Some people had trouble accessing the database if sharing was not turned on.

I'm also wondering if your virus protection software might be blocking access to the database. Can you try turning it off.

I believe we have to get to the point where "osql -E" will generate the "1>" prompt for you before MyEncore will work.

Maybe we should go to PM while we struggle with this...

Derek

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Post by rested gal » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:38 am

Jerry69 wrote:Is it his opinion that AHI's of 10 or less don't require CPAP?

Anyway, it is only one man's opinion...if that is what he meant.
That does seem to be Dr. Rapoport's opinion. I personally think Dr. Sullivan's opposing opinion (in that same article) is sounder.

But that's just my lowly opinion --I ain't no doc!

btw, very helpful screenshots of your Encore Pro journey, Jerry!

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Trying to Access the Database

Post by Jerry69 » Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:38 am

derek wrote:Jerry,
Ric is also having the same problem. The osql test indicates that for some reason you cannot access the MSSQL server. I get exactly the same response if I turn off the server. So the next question is - are you sure the MSSQL server is running? You should see its icon in the system tray. A green triangle in the icon means it is running - a red square means it is stopped.

Another (remote) possibility: would you check that you have "File and Printer Sharing" enabled in your network properties. Some people had trouble accessing the database if sharing was not turned on.

I'm also wondering if your virus protection software might be blocking access to the database. Can you try turning it off.

I believe we have to get to the point where "osql -E" will generate the "1>" prompt for you before MyEncore will work.

Maybe we should go to PM while we struggle with this...

Derek
Derek,
  • The MS SQL server is running: a little green arrow and text confriming that it is running.
    "File and Printer Sharing is checked in Network Properties
    I stopped the virus protection program, but couldn't get osql -E to generate a 1>
I even checked 'File and Printer Sharing' under the Exceptions Tab of Windows Firewall but couldn't get a 1>. [I unchecked it.]

I'll use PM after this.

Thanks,

Jerry

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Un-treated AHI = 9.5
Titrated prssure: 6 cm
Ave. AHI after therapy = 0.5
Ave. Snore Index = <10
Current pressure = 9 cm

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Installling Encore Pro 1.5

Post by tomkat » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:45 pm

Since there appears to be a lot more difficulty with installing Encore Pro 1.5 and most CPAP / APAP users do not require it may I offer the following:
Might Derek continue to offer support for the older version of Encore Pro along with his corresponding version of MyEncore. If I understand correctly
only BiPap users benefit from Encore Pro 1.5 and the installation headaches
and password issues with the SQL database are a real detriment to upgrading (or installing for the first time). I realize that Encore Pro 1.5 may be available free from Respironics web site but I would rather buy 1.4 and avoid the hassals. Just my opinion.


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Post by shimari » Thu Dec 08, 2005 2:55 pm

that is a VERY good suggestion. is that in fact correct, there were no problems using the SQL server on 1.4, particularly with MyEncore? I already went and bought 1.4, and that would be a simple solution if what you say is true. THANKS !!!!

cordially,

Shimari

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Post by derek » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:04 pm

Here's the problem: I have upgraded to 1.5 on my machine, and I cannot go back to 1.4 to work on the old MyEncore. Of course, I have no intention of taking it away, and it has been rock-solid for many months as it is. I really don't have a lot of time to enhance it anyway.

I am supposing that at some point you will not be able to purchase EP 1,4 anymore, and that is why I did the upgrade.

The other thing is that MOST people have been able to install MyEncore for 1.5 with no problems. It would be interesting to find out why Jerry & Ric are having problems. I honestly believe that MyEncore is doing the right things. There is something strange in their configurations. The "osql" test I suggested has nothing to do with MyEncore, and it should work!

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Post by Jerry69 » Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:17 pm

derek wrote:Here's the problem: I have upgraded to 1.5 on my machine, and I cannot go back to 1.4 to work on the old MyEncore. Of course, I have no intention of taking it away, and it has been rock-solid for many months as it is. I really don't have a lot of time to enhance it anyway.

I am supposing that at some point you will not be able to purchase EP 1,4 anymore, and that is why I did the upgrade.

The other thing is that MOST people have been able to install MyEncore for 1.5 with no problems. It would be interesting to find out why Jerry & Ric are having problems. I honestly believe that MyEncore is doing the right things. There is something strange in their configurations. The "osql" test I suggested has nothing to do with MyEncore, and it should work!
Derek fixed My Encore so that I can use it!

Thanks, very much, Derek. The reports are great. Almost makes CPAP fun...but not quite.

Jerry


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MachineMask
Un-treated AHI = 9.5
Titrated prssure: 6 cm
Ave. AHI after therapy = 0.5
Ave. Snore Index = <10
Current pressure = 9 cm