At war with my Papcap?
Re: At war with my Papcap?
Is it safe to machine wash / dry ? The instructions say hand wash I believe. I'm still trying to figure out why I've been waking up with it pulled forward partially over my eyes. I tried wearing it less tight. It worked great the first few weeks of ownership, I can't figure out what changed!
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Re: At war with my Papcap?
I always throw mine in the washer...no problems...I roll mine up too....to keep it from getting too loose.davecpap wrote:Is it safe to machine wash / dry ? The instructions say hand wash I believe. I'm still trying to figure out why I've been waking up with it pulled forward partially over my eyes. I tried wearing it less tight. It worked great the first few weeks of ownership, I can't figure out what changed!
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Re: At war with my Papcap?
Looks like I need to pay more attention to the boards--
Somebody contacted me about this thread. Here's my best attempt to address the issues:
One of the inherent design limitations for any chinstrap is dealing with the need for slightly forward tension so that the jaw is not pushed back towards the throat.
Another design limitation is providing adequate tension.
Very few of the chinstrap designs on the market allow for adequate forward tension to perform well.
I would like to offer a few suggestions that should help to counter-balance the forward pull tendency:
1. Make sure that the angle of the brim is at a sufficient slant that the back connectors fall at the base of the skull, below the natural curve of the skull. An easy way to ensure this is to align the brim of the cap about one inch above the eyebrows. That should orient the back connectors at the proper location. Some skulls are not that round in the back so there are inherent limitations. If your skull is relatively round, anchoring the back of the cap below the point of the curve is the primary way to prevent the front from pulling down.
2. Make sure that you achieve a fair amount of tension with the back connectors.
3. Change the angle of the chinstrap. The large blocks of hard Velcro at the temples do not have to completely align with the chinstrap. There is adequate Velcro to allow you to provide for slightly more backwards tension, but not enough to potentially move you jaw backwards. Experiment with the angle of the chinstrap. The more it is aligned forward, the more likely it is to pull down the front. The more aligned towards your ears, the more balanced the tension it places on the cap (and the more stable it will be).
4. Reduce the tension of the chinstrap slightly: Use only the minimum tension required to eliminate mouth leaking symptoms.
The main idea is to strike the appropriate balance between competing features of the product as discussed above. It is intended to be highly versatile and adaptable to as many individuals as possible.
We are working on providing much improved product documentation in order to make the product more “user friendly” and this kind of feedback is extremely valuable.
Somebody contacted me about this thread. Here's my best attempt to address the issues:
One of the inherent design limitations for any chinstrap is dealing with the need for slightly forward tension so that the jaw is not pushed back towards the throat.
Another design limitation is providing adequate tension.
Very few of the chinstrap designs on the market allow for adequate forward tension to perform well.
I would like to offer a few suggestions that should help to counter-balance the forward pull tendency:
1. Make sure that the angle of the brim is at a sufficient slant that the back connectors fall at the base of the skull, below the natural curve of the skull. An easy way to ensure this is to align the brim of the cap about one inch above the eyebrows. That should orient the back connectors at the proper location. Some skulls are not that round in the back so there are inherent limitations. If your skull is relatively round, anchoring the back of the cap below the point of the curve is the primary way to prevent the front from pulling down.
2. Make sure that you achieve a fair amount of tension with the back connectors.
3. Change the angle of the chinstrap. The large blocks of hard Velcro at the temples do not have to completely align with the chinstrap. There is adequate Velcro to allow you to provide for slightly more backwards tension, but not enough to potentially move you jaw backwards. Experiment with the angle of the chinstrap. The more it is aligned forward, the more likely it is to pull down the front. The more aligned towards your ears, the more balanced the tension it places on the cap (and the more stable it will be).
4. Reduce the tension of the chinstrap slightly: Use only the minimum tension required to eliminate mouth leaking symptoms.
The main idea is to strike the appropriate balance between competing features of the product as discussed above. It is intended to be highly versatile and adaptable to as many individuals as possible.
We are working on providing much improved product documentation in order to make the product more “user friendly” and this kind of feedback is extremely valuable.
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