Medicare, DME suppliers, and CPAP

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Re: Medicare, DME suppliers, and CPAP

Post by Slinky » Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:09 pm

PST wrote:... I do have a question about your O2 experience, though. I am honestly not aware of any 2010 Medicare cuts affecting DMEs. There is an ongoing issue involving physician reimbursement rates, but that shouldn't affect DMEs. Have their been cuts this year? If not, then the problems you encountered had a different cause.
PST, Medicare has cut DME benefits every year since I started on 02 and PAP therapy.

In 2006 Medicare allowed $ $232.48 a month for a 5L concentrator and portable tanks, regulator, tubing, etc. of which they paid $185.98; and $99.95 a month for the 13 month capped rental of a CPAP. At that time the concentrator was a lifetime rental.

In 2007 Medicare dropped the monthly CPAP capped rental allowed amount to $74.96 a month for which they paid $59.97 and the 02 equipment to an allowed $230.19 of which they paid $184.15.

In 2008 Medicare allowed $218.11 a month for a 13 month capped rental of a bi-level PAP of which they paid $174.49. Mid year bi-level PAP reimbursement dropped to $163.58 allowed and paid $130.86.

This was also the year that the controversy surrounding 02 concentrators being switched from lifetime to a 3 or 5 year rental. From January to July Medicare allowed $1,585.70 and paid $1,268.56 for 02 equipment. For August thru October Medicare allowed $725.00 and paid $580.00 for the 02 equipment. November and December 2008 Medicare allowed $231.07 and paid $184.86 for the 02 equipment. Keep in mind that Medicare pays 80% of the allowed amount and the patient or their secondary insurance pays an additional 20% copay.

In 2009 Medicare dropped the bi-level PAPs to $148.04 allowed of which they paid $118.43 monthly for a 13 month capped rental. 02 dropped to $204.56 allowed and $163.65 reimbursed. I think it was this year that the billing for the concentrator and the portable equipment were separated instead of one combined billing.

My bi-level PAP was paid off in 2009 so I have no idea of 2010 Medicare reimbursement rates for them. And there has been quite a bit of confusion regarding the rental/ownership/maintenance of the 02 concentrators. There was talk of a 3 year rental, conversion to patient ownership; 5 year rental no conversion to patient ownership w/ownership remaining w/the DME provider ..... I still don't know the situation - except that I started on 02 in April 2006. 2010 doesn't fit the 3 year or the 5 year rental controversy. I was just for the first time billed $13.20 for a 6 month maintenance on the concentrator (which was WELL-USED when it was provided, died earlier this year and was replaced by another USED concentrator). And as near as I can determine Medicare is now just paying for the monthly portable equipment and necessary supplies such as tubing, etc. plus a 6 month concentrator maintenance that I haven't gotten an EOB for yet.

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Re: Medicare, DME suppliers, and CPAP

Post by PST » Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:52 pm

It looks like you know chapter and verse about this, Slinky. Now that I have my AARP card I had better start learning about Medicare. Maybe there should be a "Medicare for Dummies" book so people my age can study and get ready.

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Re: Medicare, DME suppliers, and CPAP

Post by idamtnboy » Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:30 pm

Slinky wrote: In 2007 Medicare dropped the monthly CPAP capped rental allowed amount to $74.96 a month for which they paid $59.97
Interesting. My latest Medicare statement shows they allowed $101.10/mo, and paid $80.88/mo for my S9 CPAP. The H5i humidifier was charged as a purchase at the start. Medicare allowed $272.60 and paid $218.08. So, over 13 months the DME will receive $1314.30 for a machine cpap.com sells for $805. That very well may be why Medicare is moving to competitive bidding.

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Re: Medicare, DME suppliers, and CPAP

Post by Slinky » Mon Nov 08, 2010 7:46 pm

As with anything to do w/the government, PST, wending thru Medicare regulations, etc. is corn-fusing as all get out. And I certainly can NOT say that my comprehension has been improving w/age!!!

However, once you are eligible for Medicare, you can sign up at mymedicare.gov to keep track of your benefits, EOBs, etc. online.

The following is one of the initial proposals regarding 02 equipment (it is dated 31 July 2006):
WASHINGTON -- CMS blindsided the HME industry last week when it proposed a plan to significantly revamp how Medicare pays for home oxygen therapy, including a proposal to reduce reimbursement for a stationary oxygen concentrator from about $200 to $177 a month.

"I don't think anyone anticipated this," said one industry source. "A lot of work obviously went into this behind the scenes that a lot of us were unaware of."

On Friday, industry watchers were still reviewing the plan that CMS released on Thursday and were not prepared to comment on specifics.

Under the payment methodology, CMS proposes the following new national monthly rental rates:

1. Stationary payment: $177
2. Portable add-on: $32
3. Oxygen generating portable equipment add-on for portable concentrators or transfilling systems: $64
4. Stationary contents delivery: $101
5. Portable contents delivery: $55

CMS proposes to implement the changes on Jan. 1, 2007.

The changes revolve around Medicare's new regulation that caps oxygen reimbursement at 36 months and transfers title of the equipment to the patient at that time. One requirement of the reimbursement change is that it be revenue neutral. To do that, Medicare has taken money from one area--stationary concentrators, for example--and applied it to other payment categories.

"Is it a big hit? That depends on the technology you provide," said another industry source. Providers who use traditionally delivery technology are not going to like it."

Given that most providers still rely on standard stationary concentrators, "you are going to get more negatives than positives," the source added.

According to CMS:

Under the proposed new oxygen and oxygen equipment class structure described above, in those cases where the beneficiary needs both stationary and portable oxygen, monthly payments of $241 or $209 (proposed revised stationary payment of $177 plus one of two proposed portable equipment payments, $32 or $64) would be made during rental months 1 through 36. The stationary payment (which includes payment for stationary equipment, as well as oxygen contents for stationary and portable systems) of $177 would be made during rental months 1 through 36 for beneficiaries who only need stationary oxygen and oxygen equipment.

Monthly payments of $101 for stationary oxygen contents and/or $55 for portable oxygen contents would be made in cases where beneficiaries own their stationary and/or portable oxygen equipment. The $101 payment is for stationary oxygen contents only and is derived from the current payment of $156, which is made for both stationary and portable oxygen contents. The $55 payment for portable oxygen contents only is also derived from the current payment of $156 that is made for both stationary and portable oxygen contents and would replace the current statewide portable oxygen contents fees (average of $21), which was based on a relatively small number of claims and allowed services compared to the number of claims and allowed services that were used in computing the statewide fees (average of $156) for a combination of stationary and portable oxygen contents.
I can't find where I saved more recent information. The above was just the beginning and there were considerable changes.

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Re: Medicare, DME suppliers, and CPAP

Post by nofan » Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:48 am

The problem is in how the bidding was designed. By not making the bids binding, a company could bid low, setting the offer price low and when when they were presented with a contract, they refused it. That then caused all winners to be offered a contract lower than what they bid on. This sets the market up for sharks who will lie in wait for companies to fail and then force the price up because the competition will be gone. Believe me you can not provide a CPAP for $59.00 and survive. The mask reimbursement is below the acquisition cost of the supplies. You just can't do that and pay your bills. You can't drop from 150 suppliers one month to 14 the next and expect that service will not be impacted.

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Re: Medicare, DME suppliers, and CPAP

Post by trip68 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:43 pm

This is not the place for your political views. Please delete your posts.
PST wrote:
LSAT wrote:Interesting comment PST....How about MSNBC and the 4 Liberal commentators they had covering the election on TV. One of these commentators was even suspended because he made contributions to 2 Democratic candidates......They are supposed to be non-partisan.

THIS IS MY LAST WORD ON THIS ISSUE...IT IS REALLY NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THIS BOARD
Fox is the holding pen where prospective Republican presidential candidates collect a salary and plan their campaigns. Of the five prominent Republicans not currently in elective office who have publicly discussed their interest in running for President, four are Fox News employees or paid contributors: Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, and Mike Huckabee. Only Mitt Romney is not. I find that remarkable. Moreover, those candidates use their exclusive contracts with Fox as their excuse for not allowing themselves to be interviewed by other news outlets. There is a thorough story at http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm? ... 12EC95F5F3. If you are a Republican, don't expect to have much influence on the 2012 nomination. Like American Idol, that contest will be a Fox exclusive.

I make no claim for MSNBC's neutrality, but there is really no comparison with Fox. MSNBC suspended its commentator for giving $7,200. Fox commentators also contribute to candidates, but Fox has no rule against it. (Google Hannity Bachmann contribution, for example.) The parent corporation of Fox gave $1 million to the Republican Governors Association for use in the most recent election, and publicly defends its decision to do so. See http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 04338.html.

I too will let this be my last comment on Fox News, which I grant is pretty far afield for a CPAP forum. As for the actual subject of this thread, though, I would still like to have someone explain to me why a trial run of competitive bidding by DMEs is so evil that the only term strong enough to describe it is BOHICA.

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Re: Medicare, DME suppliers, and CPAP

Post by trip68 » Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:49 pm

Webmaster,
I would like PST to remove his posts. This is not the place for his political views.

This site is to help people with their Apnea, not to bash or support any political office.
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Re: Medicare, DME suppliers, and CPAP

Post by So Well » Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:32 pm

trip68 wrote:Webmaster,
I would like PST to remove his posts. This is not the place for his political views.

This site is to help people with their Apnea, not to bash or support any political office.
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That's only your political view. But I won't ask Webmaster to remove it.
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Re: Medicare, DME suppliers, and CPAP

Post by The Texan » Wed Nov 17, 2010 7:41 pm

trip68 wrote:Webmaster,
I would like PST to remove his posts. This is not the place for his political views.

This site is to help people with their Apnea, not to bash or support any political office.
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If it is not to your likes, then move your mouse to the NEXT post and ignore this one. Your likes and dislikes are NOT the same as others, so why are you trying to force your views on others????

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Re: Medicare, DME suppliers, and CPAP

Post by chunkyfrog » Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:21 pm

I hear most DME's are opposed to competitive bidding. Therefore, it can't be all bad.

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Re: Medicare, DME suppliers, and CPAP

Post by provider » Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:48 am

Hi, in an effort not to add to an already long discussion I just wanted to point out that competitive bidding was begun before Obama was in office. It is just now going to be implemented in the 1st round in 43 days. In the market I'm in (Cleveland) it has eliminated about 80-90% of the competition, mostly small businesses. In the business we call it a suicide bid because now to provide for Medicare beneficiaries you have to accept (provided you won a bid) a price point that makes it nearly impossible to operate a business. I work for a company that operates "lean and mean" and has been in preparation for the changes, but ultimately patient care will be compromised. This bureaucracy costs millions and millions of dollars to cut costs in DME (2% of Medicare expenditures) rather than just cutting reimbursements across the board without complicated programs, oversight, and government mess.
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