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OT:Earthquake-ChCh, NewZealand

Post by Marietjie » Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:15 pm

Our daughter, her husband and our two grandsons emigrated to ChristChurch, NewZealand
a month ago. Now they are experiencing for the first time in their lives a huge earthquake.
They are all fine but very, very scared for after shocks. They've got electricity but cannot use
the toilets (must save water) Citizens are also warned that a wind and rainstorm is on it's way.
Anyone on this forum also from ChCh???
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Re: OT:Earthquake-ChCh, NewZealand

Post by kteague » Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:00 am

Oh my, how very scary for all of you! Were you able to hear from them soon after the news came out about the quake? So very glad to hear on TV that most of the damage is to property rather than people, and especially that your daughter and her family are safe. Bless your heart!

P.S. I must be geographically stunted. Until today I was not even aware of a town called ChristChurch in New Zealand.

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Re: OT:Earthquake-ChCh, NewZealand

Post by Marietjie » Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:52 am

kteague wrote:Until today I was not even aware of a town called ChristChurch in New Zealand.
ChCh is the second largest city in NewZealand.
kteague, yes, this all is not a pleasant thought. Our only child emigrated to NZ to get away from this awful, non-stop crime in RSA - now this? We are so fortunate - she immediately informed us about the quake - received a few emails already. They've got no water but the electricity is still on. She emails with her cellphone. It is already nighttime in NZ and they moved the diningroom table to one side in order to get their mattresses under it. They also have emergency food stuffs in case they must evacuate There was already 21 aftershocks - each 4 and more on the scale!
Our daughter says they are VERY,VERY scared. BAD weather predicted for tonight and tomorrow! with low temps.
I don't feel very energetic today - went to bed too late and slept for only 4hrs or less! Bad news always gives me bad nights! I feel 'weak' tired and depressed - like before cpap! Earthquakes are not something we in RSA experience.
For more pics go to: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/
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Post by BlackSpinner » Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:35 am

I looked at the photos - most of the damage is the older buildings - especially the Victorian ones. I have been keeping up on earthquake proofing news as the area I live in (Montreal) also gets earth quakes as well I have lots of friends in Vancouver (west coast) There have been lots of changes in the last 25 years.

I imagine if we had one like that my building would also have heavy damage - my apartment building was built in 1910.

I hope your family stays safe. I understand your anxiety, it is hard to be thousands of miles away when something goes wrong where your family is.

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Re: OT:Earthquake-ChCh, NewZealand

Post by dsm » Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:50 pm

Marietjie wrote:
kteague wrote:Until today I was not even aware of a town called ChristChurch in New Zealand.
ChCh is the second largest city in NewZealand.
kteague, yes, this all is not a pleasant thought. Our only child emigrated to NZ to get away from this awful, non-stop crime in RSA - now this? We are so fortunate - she immediately informed us about the quake - received a few emails already. They've got no water but the electricity is still on. She emails with her cellphone. It is already nighttime in NZ and they moved the diningroom table to one side in order to get their mattresses under it. They also have emergency food stuffs in case they must evacuate There was already 21 aftershocks - each 4 and more on the scale!
Our daughter says they are VERY,VERY scared. BAD weather predicted for tonight and tomorrow! with low temps.
I don't feel very energetic today - went to bed too late and slept for only 4hrs or less! Bad news always gives me bad nights! I feel 'weak' tired and depressed - like before cpap! Earthquakes are not something we in RSA experience.
For more pics go to: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/
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I come from Ch-Ch (but living in Sydney now) and am as surprised as anyone of this earthquake. 7.1 is massive. The last one that had such a devastating effect in NZ was in 1931 in Napier Hastings halfway up on the right side of the North Island. It was a massive 7.8 earthquake & killed 256 people & flattened the town completely.

Ch-Ch is not thought of as an earthquake area as the main (known) Sth Island fault lines run up the west side of the Sth Island. The area called the Kaikoura coast in the Marlborough region is the worst for quakes in the Sth Island (S.I.).

Map of NZ regions: http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl= ... CDAQ9QEwAw

Map of NZ faultlines: http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl= ... CBsQ9QEwAA


They are now saying this is a new fault line. Re Ch-Ch - it is a debate as to if it is 2nd or 3rd biggest city. Auckland is way out front (1.3 million) & Wellington & Christchurch both under a 1/3 of that.

As far as safety of Ch-Ch, I guess any city in NZ is going to be open to earthquakes but the Canterbury region has not been known for earthquakes in the way Marlborough (S.I.) & Wellington and the sth half of the N.I. (Nth Island) are. Only the week before the Ch-Ch earthquake my daughter in Wanganui (lower N.I.) was on a ladder when a tremor hit & joked about how quickly she got off it.

Wellington (bottom of N.I.) is a known major earthquake area & the old town was raised approx 4 feet by an earthquake in 1845. That lifting is being repeated every 150 or so years & the city is and has been expecting another land lifting event any day. All buildings built in Wellington have to meet a strict code that is supposed to allow them to withstand another land lifting event (like a Richter 7 quake). The coastline around from Wellington (about 50 kms) is terraced from all the past liftings. Eventually Wellington harbor will start to empty as it is a basin that keeps lifting.

History of Wellington: http://motherearthtravel.com/new_zealan ... istory.htm

I would imagine that Ch-Ch will be ok now for the next 100+ years.

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Post by chunkyfrog » Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:52 pm

Last time we felt an earthquake in Nebraska was Good Friday 1964--tectonic harmonics from Anchorage AK.
My mother thought the oil burner was about to explode.
Praying for the safety of all the folks down under on the shaky soil.

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Post by Marietjie » Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:19 pm

" NZ-NEWSWe think that this is a very complex event," he said. "We think that the main shock may have consisted actually of three earthquakes." CHRISTCHURCH, New Zealand (AP) — New Zealand's 7.1-magnitude earthquake even ripped apart the earth. A geology professor at Canterbury University says it appears the quake tore a new 11-foot wide fault in the earth's surface. '

For the last few days I read alot about this earthquake! Above is some of the news.
I am happy to give you (some) good news.
My son in law's employer, SOLTIUS, (head office is in Auckland) arranged air tickets for the whole family AND an apartment to stay in Wellington for a few days, week or so until it is safe to get back to ChCh. One of the directors that met them at Wellington Airport even took them to a Supermarket for shopping.
I think of them as ANGELS.
I received an email from our daughter this morning. They are all still VERY scared and nervous.
The water in ChCh is a BIG problem - contaminated - they cannot even wash their hands - must boil water for 3 minutes before use.
Personally, I don't feel happy having them there. And personally, I'll rather stay in RSA and shoot the criminals - you cannot shoot an earthquake ! ! !
LASTLY - dsm - THANKS for the info - I read everything re NZ.
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Post by dsm » Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:06 am

Marietjie wrote:" NZ-NEWSWe think that this is a very complex event," he said. "We think that the main shock may have consisted actually of three earthquakes." CHRISTCHURCH, New Zealand (AP) — New Zealand's 7.1-magnitude earthquake even ripped apart the earth. A geology professor at Canterbury University says it appears the quake tore a new 11-foot wide fault in the earth's surface. '

For the last few days I read alot about this earthquake! Above is some of the news.
I am happy to give you (some) good news.
My son in law's employer, SOLTIUS, (head office is in Auckland) arranged air tickets for the whole family AND an apartment to stay in Wellington for a few days, week or so until it is safe to get back to ChCh. One of the directors that met them at Wellington Airport even took them to a Supermarket for shopping.
I think of them as ANGELS.
I received an email from our daughter this morning. They are all still VERY scared and nervous.
The water in ChCh is a BIG problem - contaminated - they cannot even wash their hands - must boil water for 3 minutes before use.
Personally, I don't feel happy having them there. And personally, I'll rather stay in RSA and shoot the criminals - you cannot shoot an earthquake ! ! !
LASTLY - dsm - THANKS for the info - I read everything re NZ.
Marietjie,

So pleased the family is being looked after so well. I am pretty confident that Ch-Ch will have this under control fairly quickly. NZ is pretty good at marshaling resources to deal with situations like this. That is reflected in the comments from NZ authorities that they don't feel a need for outside help to be diverted as they can handle it.

As has been widely reported, Ch-Ch is not generally thought of as a major fault area. That release of energy was substantial & based on regular patterns a long time should pass before another such event. The main point to be comforted by is that no one died. Few do these days due to how well NZers cope with them. The Napier Hastings event is very well remembered in NZ because it was the modern nation's worst earthquake disaster. Wellington has largely been rebuilt in the 1980s & 1990s to meet stringent earthquake standards due to it being a recognized fault area. The change in landform from the 1845 Wellington quake is visible every day to anyone using the Wellington to Petone/Lower Hutt motorway as it sits on the land (around the Wellington harbor bay) that rose 4ft out from the harbor in 1845. The next quake there will probably add 6 more lanes to that highway seriously !.

Wellington is a lovely city (even if it gets very windy at times). I would have no hesitation in returning to work there or going back to Christchurch if the opportunity arose (but as of today might be inclined to wait a month or two before going back to Ch-Ch just to let them get the worst of the damage fixed).

Parts on NZ are constantly sliding into rivers or the ocean. It is a well understood and familiar event there. As a kid (early 1950s) I was at school in Glendowie Auckland, we had a period where some school friends houses collapsed due to coastal erosion (i.e. at Karaka Bay between Glendowie and St Helliers). Kraka Bay in particular is slowly being eroded into the sea.

Around the Tamaki waterfront (That is, Tamaki Drive, which runs from Auckland City to the suburb of St Helliers) are some of Auckland's upmarket suburbs. Near Mission bay (2/3rds the way) & St Helliers there are old pill boxes from WW2. When I was there in the early 1950s those pill boxes were recessed into the cliffs. Now most are standing separate from the cliffs they were once hidden in.

5 years ago while driving from Auckland to Wanganui and near the main volcanoes (in the Tongariro National Park) a way out of Wanganui, we drove past points where small bits of the road weren't there - like someone had taken a bite from 1/4 to 1/3 of the tarred roadway (there were just posts around these missing bits with yellow tape on them warning drivers to keep clear). That was after heavy rain & more slips had happened. The missing road there had fallen into the river quite a way below. Unfortunately a few young drivers were lost into those gaps. Older drivers tend to be super cautious in, and just after, heavy rain.

Life in NZ just rolls on & slips & quakes are an understood part of life there. The biggest number of natural disaster casualties are probably from accidents caused by road slips after heavy rain (not from earthquakes) but walking across the road in any NZ city may be more dangerous in terms of potential casualties.

Am sure you will hear lots of good things about their stay in Wellington. But re Ch-Ch, Just remember the nice low casualty rate - 0.

DSM

Some links ...

http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/landslides/5

http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/landslides/1

This link shows photos from the 1953 landslip I mentioned above, when I was at School in Glendowie just around from St Helliers & Kraka Bay.
Our house was about 1.5 Kms from this landslip. See the 2 pics at the bottom of the page.
http://www.tagasoft.com/TAGAsoft/TAGAso ... araka_html

In this link read the HAZARDS section about driving on NZ roads
http://wikitravel.org/en/Driving_in_New_Zealand

Typical road bulletins re road slips (this may change day to day for anyone linking to it, this link is very recent & covers a wide part of the country)...
http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/1248 ... rth-island

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Post by Marietjie » Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:11 am

dsm - Again, thank you very much for the informative info re NZ.
To me and my husband your effort to supply all this, is much appreciated.
I emailed your info to our daughter. Just heard over the news - one person
died as a result of a heart attack during the earthquake! (Understandable!)
50,000 people working in the CBD are forbidden to enter the affected areas!
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Post by BlackSpinner » Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:43 am

Marietjie wrote:. Just heard over the news - one person
died as a result of a heart attack during the earthquake! (Understandable!)
Well there you see, only one person died and lots of excitement and opportunities to rebuild safer housing. Compare that to gun shots and it looks pretty good.

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Post by dsm » Mon Sep 06, 2010 4:50 pm

#Further update:
#Last night another 5.1 quake hit Christchurch. This has caused further damage.


Some more info re earthquakes in NZ & a reassurance that the patterns are pretty well understood even if the Ch-Ch quake has shown that new fault lines previously not known of, can and do happen.

Here is a link listing major NZ earthquakes over the past 150 years or so.
http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/his ... index.html

The 1st significant quake in modern history being the 1855 Wairarapa quake (That lifted Wellington 4 ft). Note that different records often quote slightly different dates for these quakes (other sources say this one happened in 1845 but this link says 23 Jan 1855).
http://www.geonet.org.nz/earthquake/his ... ke-02.html

I previously mentioned how the coastline around wellington is clearly terraced from 100s of years of quakes that are lifting the landmass around the Wellington coastline. Each major quake (approx 150 years apart) has the potential to lift the land between 2-6 ft mostly on the western side of, and including the city of, Wellington. The below link is a picture showing this effect with surprising clarity. I really was not joking when I said that the currently expected quake for the Wairarapa region will add 6 more lanes to the Wellington-Lower Hutt Motorway. The pic shows Turakirae Heads which as the crow flies are only 16 kms from the Wellington city center.
http://www.geonet.org.nz/images/earthqu ... e_head.jpg


Examples of the exposed Pill Boxes around Auckland's Tamaki Drive I mentioned in earlier posts. On a hunch I went to Google maps & looked at approx 3 places where I recall there were pill boxes from WW2. Sure enough at least one is still there and can be clearly seen. What it actually shows is the erosion of the cliff side due to weathering. Karaka Bay which is very well known in Auckland for slowly eroding into the sea, is approx 8 kms further round this coastline.

It was fascinating that we can go to google maps, look for some object, then use the walking along the road feature to view the object. This is to me an example of how information has become so pervasive.
http://www.internetage.ws/general/auckl ... index.html


Another site with info of prior earthquakes including one that affected Christchurch back in 1888.
http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/historic-earthquakes/4


An excellent resource web site about all things to do with NZ quakes.
http://www.gns.cri.nz/Home/Learning/Sci ... arthquakes

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New Zealand Earthquakes

Every year GNS Science locates 10,000 to 15,000 earthquakes in New Zealand. About 100 – 150 of these quakes are large enough to be felt, - the others we only know about because they are recorded by seismographs.

Historic trends and records dating from the 1840s show that, on average, New Zealand can expect several magnitude 6 earthquakes every year, one magnitude 7 every 10 years, and a magnitude 8 every century.
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Post by dsm » Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:32 pm

Latest news - Christchurch city center reopens despite large aftershocks.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-wo ... 14y7y.html

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-2- NOTE: - this news clip changed from the original one I linked to. The added aftershocks (5.1 richter) have reintroduced the state of emergency. As can be seen from the current link (8:30pm tuesday NZ time) there are now fears of further major quakes.

Also, the weather over the top of the Sth Island & the lower part of the Nth Island, is pretty severe at the moment. Gale force winds, many highways blocked, flooding (Wanganui, Wairarapa, Wellington city).

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Post by dsm » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:42 am

BlackSpinner wrote:
Marietjie wrote:. Just heard over the news - one person
died as a result of a heart attack during the earthquake! (Understandable!)
Well there you see, only one person died and lots of excitement and opportunities to rebuild safer housing. Compare that to gun shots and it looks pretty good.
Blackspinner,

Must admit I am concerned at the mayhem in weather and devestation that has emerged in both Islands at the moment. As I said in an earlier post my family in Wanganui (about 600 kms from Ch-Ch) had tremors about 1 week before the big rip in Ch-Ch.

I am wondering if the big Wellington event so long anticipated may be eminent.

DSM

Reposted link talking about the weather mayhem the hit the southern part of the Nth Island just after the Ch-Ch quake. One comments was that driving conditions were 'treacherous' in the Manawatu district (Just north of Wellington & covering Palmerston Nth & into Wanganui district) ...
http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/1248 ... rth-island
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Post by BlackSpinner » Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:04 am

dsm wrote:
Must admit I am concerned at the mayhem in weather and devestation that has emerged in both Islands at the moment. As I said in an earlier post my family in Wanganui (about 600 kms from Ch-Ch) had tremors about 1 week before the big rip in Ch-Ch.

I am wondering if the big Wellington event so long anticipated may be eminent.

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But this kind of thing can be "weathered" and handled emotionally much more easily then violence. It allows people to work together as a team, to be heroic in small things. It is hard but it is "pioneer" style hard.

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Post by CollegeGirl » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:33 am

I have a good friend in Christ Church, and he reports that his home and businesses are fine but he knows more than a few people who aren't so lucky. Sad. I'm just glad so few people died as a result of it.
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