Respironics Bipap Auto First Night Impression

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Post by Original Guest in Thread » Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:35 pm

Thanks again, guest!
First, the rules:
* The device


Just some clarification for others who might not realize this point: those rules are specific to how the set-up parameters will behave while in provider set-up mode. Those rules do not explain how the algorithm determines delivery pressures based on those set up parameters.
...if I narrowed my range to min 6 and max 15, I would get considerable better treatment? Please explain how that would happen to me?


Not necessarily. As you may know AutoPAP delivers varying pressures throughout the night with equivalent EPAP and IPAP pressures. The traditional AutoPAP algorithm relies very heavily on preventing apneas and hypopneas via the detection of snores and flow limitations. Unfortunately some patients present these predictive precursors atypically with respect to predictive patterns the algorithm attempts to discern. When this happens the autopap algorithm is reduced to spending less than ideal amounts of time being predictive and more than ideal amounts of time being reactive. Those are the patients who must narrow their autopap pressure range: they typically need a higher minimum pressure to preemptively address those SDB events the algorithm cannot. Many patients seem to do quite well with the full range, or a more comfortable range of say 6 cm or 7 cm minimum pressure, all the way up to the machine's top end. I happen to fare better with a 5 cm or 6 cm spread. Others need straight CPAP, and yet others prefer a wide open range.

I suspect the Autotitrating BiLevel will have the same issues for some patients: a shortcoming by the way of preventing some apneas and hypopneas---thereby spending too much time behind the eight ball, so to speak, and simply reacting or responding to too many apneas and hypopneas versus preventing.
I think you confuse the Max PS setting of 3 cm with some minimum setting. For best clarification, email Respironics if you don't understand my reasoning.
I think that was another poster. I happen to suspect there is a PS Min and that it is maintained or hard-coded internal to the algorithm. I suspect the algorithm likely orchestrated the resultant PS such that it will reduce all the way to zero under certain circumstances. "PS resultant" will be the IPAP/EPAP delta limited by PS Max's provider setting and PS min's internal setting within the algorithm. That delta I am referring to PS resultant will fluctuate: collapse and expand on an as-needed bases. There are two "PS resultant" collapse scenarios: 1) IPAP may approach EPAP for the sake of comfort, or 2) EPAP may approach IPAP for the sake of heavy or atypical obstructions that must be cleared during expiration. I can't think of any other scenarios, which is not to say they don't exist.
I agree with that statement. In some scenarios it may be necessary to obtain an 8 cm differential, but that would only be in a low percentage of patients. IMO

This is a key question in my mind. At 8 cm the respiratory drive itself significant support compared to a 3 cm or even 4 cm spread. Why and when would this algorithm run a patient at "PS resultant" of 8 cm? This is a very interesting subtopic regarding a very new and interesting xPAP algorithm.
In a bilevel mode, the EPAP=IPAP can be set to achieve a CPAP mode. But, then one defeats the purpose of purchasing a higher priced bilevel machine. I imagine some may be that ******

The ramifications of being able to run this machine in CPAP mode would likely be of more relevance to health care institutions. They would tend to benefit more from a multi-purpose than the individual home user. However, some home users may discover after losing weight that they actually fare better on lower fixed pressure than bilevel. Other patient/doctor pairs may not be certain which xPAP platform will provide the best treatment for a patient. In this latter (albeit somewhat unusual) case, a multipurpose xPAP machine kind of makes sense.

I truly hope others will continue to share their experiences, knowledge, and thoughts about this innovative machine. We're all at the beginning of the learning curve on this one!


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Re: Respironics Bipap Auto First Night Impression

Post by jitushah » Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:54 am

Dear sir,
Please inform what is BiFlex and how do you do the settings?
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[quote="Titrator"]Hi Folks,

As you already know, I am recovering from a Gastric Bypass, weightloss surgery.

I received my Bipap Auto yesterday and had a chance to set it and sleep one night. It is an interesting machine. It has 4 modes. Auto bipap, auto biflex, bipap and bipap with biflex.

I have my unit set to Auto Biflex. There is an IPAP Max control that can be set up to 25cm and it has an IPAP Min, which can be set as low as 4cm. I have IPAP Max set to 20cm and the EPAP min set to 10cm. My normal bipap pressure is set to 19.5 IPAP and 14.5 EPAP. There is a Max PS control that allows you to set the Delta range between 3 cm and 8cm. This is to always keep your IPAP and EPAP split a certain amount of cm no less than 3cm, and no more than 8cm. I have this setting set to 6cm.

I have my Biflex setting at 3. The most pressure releif upon exhalation.

This machine is the most comfortable xpap that I have ever used. It followed my breathing perfectly. I slept like a baby and seeing that I am still taking morphine for surgical pain, dreaming wild dreams.

I do not have the software yet, but I hope to be able to download the update from Respironics update center during this next week.

I have already lost 17 lbs since the surger, so I am very curious to see how it tracked me and what my average pressure is.

For any cpap user, going even going out of pocket for this pup may very well be a good thing. From all indications that is the best machine on the market, bar none.

Regards,

Ted

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Post by sthnreb » Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:34 am

A blast from the past, this thread goes back to Nov. 2005. Is the question what is biflex? It is relief between ipap and epap. It makes transitioning from one to the other easier.

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Smart card

Post by ss62 » Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:11 am

Hi Lori. I see you use a smart card. Why? I have a loaner bipap machine until a new machine arrives for me arrives. This loaner has a smart card but I don't understand it's purpose. How does it benefit the user? I was found to have apnea in 1998 and have yet to really use a machine. This past year I started feeling badly exhausted so I started really getting into this apnea stuff. Had another study done in Nov. and was found to have moderately severe apnea then had a 2nd study done to determine the settings which are 11 inhale and 7 exhale. Originally I had a straight out cpap but now I need the bipap. The loaner isn't set correctly because the inhale pressure drops short of getting a full breath. I've looked on the Internet trying to find how to change and extend this setting a little more but haven't had any luck and so I'm not using it. In 1998 I used my original machine for 4 weeks, two that it took to get use to it then two wearing it and finally I felt better then I had in YEARS!!! Then I got a bad head cold and couldn't breath through my nose and not much better through my mouth so I got off the machine until. Afterwards when the cold cleared I could never get use to it again so I've done without since. Anyway, if u can educate me about the card I would appreciate the info.
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Post by sthnreb » Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:45 am

If the machine has a smart card that records all the information you will need a card reader and software for the computer. A Respironics bipap pro and auto do. I think most bipaps do. It produces a chart on your breathing at night, apnea, hypopneas, snoring, mask leaks, etc. The idea is to get your AHI down as low as possible with the card and software. Also you can change settings on the machine with the card/computer. If you are having trouble with the machine changing from epap to ipap to soon or viceversa, it's that it is reading your breathing wrong. I take several deep breathes and exhale and that will usually correct it. The machine doesn't have a "set time" between the two but rather reads your breathing habits. Algrarythims. This is just a fast answer, if you need more detailed responses, keep going. Hope it works out for you.


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Re: Smart card

Post by Moogy » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:55 pm

ss62 wrote:I have a loaner bipap machine until a new machine arrives for me arrives. This loaner has a smart card but I don't understand it's purpose. How does it benefit the user?... The loaner isn't set correctly because the inhale pressure drops short of getting a full breath. I've looked on the Internet trying to find how to change and extend this setting a little more but haven't had any luck and so I'm not using it.
Mike,

Which kind of bipap do you have? Do you know if the biflex is enabled? Too much biflex can sometimes make it feel like you aren't getting a complete inhale. Tell us which machine you have, then someone can tell you how to access the clinical menu to see your current settings.

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Post by deerslayer » Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:12 pm

sthnreb wrote:A blast from the past, this thread goes back to Nov. 2005. Is the question what is biflex? It is relief between ipap and epap. It makes transitioning from one to the other easier.
........................................................................................................... did it in fact bring your #'s down ??? wonder how many others of us are on this type mOchine ?????? & it's effectiveness

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Post by cflame1 » Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:38 pm

I have this machine... I find it a lot easier to breathe on... numbers, well it's been awhile since I looked at the original numbers, I'd have to go back and look at them.

I couldn't use CFLEX, but I can use BiFLEX for some reason. The CFLEX made me feel like I was wheezing (I'm an asthmatic), but the BiFLEX doesn't.


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Re:

Post by MyDarling06 » Wed May 27, 2009 10:39 pm

rested gal wrote:
I have my unit set to Auto Biflex.
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I have IPAP Max set to 20cm and the EPAP min set to 10cm.
Do the words "IPAP Max" and "EPAP Min" take the place of the words Max and Min (on a regular autopap machine) when setting the Auto pressure range with this new machine?

At first I thought you might have made a typo and meant you had it set to run in BiPAP Auto mode with Biflex, since I'm used to seeing "IPAP" and "EPAP" refer to BiPAP machine settings.

You're doing so great, Ted, for so soon after surgery! Good to see you posting and giving cool info about a cool new machine!

Lori, in case Ted's gone to bed already, this is a Respironics machine, so it uses Encore Pro software. As Ted mentioned, the new version of Encore Pro he'll need will be up on the Respironics software update site sometime next week.

That's at:
Respironics Sofware Updates Center - Encore
What's that Auto Biflex? Can you give more information about it?
I will be glad if you do so.




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Re: Respironics Bipap Auto First Night Impression

Post by waiting to exhale! » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:41 am

I was tested on an auto bi pap for 2wks and did really well. I mean, I got to sleep faster, slept better and longer. Didn't wake up discovering that I had removed my mask, didn't feel like I was suffocating, and felt more refreshed in the morning. But, my provider didn't agree that I could switch from my fairly new bi-pap to this one. Now they say, since I "bought" the bi-pap (through DSHS) that I won't qualify for the auto. My sleep test even showed that I failed the bi-pap! I haven't personally received a denial letter but my c-pap provider won't communicate with me to get this taken care of.
I spoke with my respiratory doctor and he wrote a letter to DSHS regarding the severity of my case. Is this all I can do?
Thank you for your suggestions.
Edie

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Re: Respironics Bipap Auto First Night Impression

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