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Re: Swift FX

Post by Janknitz » Sun May 09, 2010 11:48 am

I don't have an FX, though I'm lusting for one. I have the LT and I like the position of the hose up on the top of my head. Did I understand correctly that the FX tube is too soft to stay in that position even if you manage to find something to secure it up on top?

Steve's fix looks pretty good but for one problem--while I sleep 95% of the night on my right side, I do occasionally want to turn onto my left side. So I would have to be really awake to reposition the hose???
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Re: Swift FX

Post by ufo13 » Sun May 09, 2010 3:34 pm

Janknitz:

I route mine up the right side and secure it there only because I try not to turn to that side because the exhaust from the mask would bother my wife, however I did try laying on the side the hose is secured on and for me the way it is positioned in no way interfered with sleeping on that side, so it may not be a problem for you, no repositioning required depending on the kind of bed pillow you use? Mine is the harder flat back foam support pillow!


All the best!

Steve,
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Re: Swift FX

Post by Treesap » Wed May 12, 2010 7:03 pm

Thanks for all the information you guys! I will definitely check out the threads posted.

I'd like to try the FX.

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Re: Swift FX

Post by manas » Wed May 12, 2010 7:21 pm

I met my DME today to return my Activa LT and they told me to keep it for a few more days. Oh well. On my primary mask, my FX, I got a real RT today, and she gave me a few tips:

1) Seems the FX came with some covers for the plastic straps that were still inside the packet So she put them on for me and told me the straps will slip less with these covers.
2) She told me that although the "fitting" showed my nostrils are Medium, I should try a Large. She claims that for nasal pillows, it's better to go one size bigger. She said that when I turn to the side, the Large will be harder to dislodge from my nostrils than the Medium.
3) She also told me to make sure the side straps sat on my ears, and that the rear strap went below the curve at the back of my head. Seems I was hearing the FX higher than what she recommends. Moving the side straps changed the angle of my pillows and reduced the probability of the pillows hitting my septum. On my LT, I could change the angle at which the pillows hit my nostrils by pulling on the hose, and this adjustment is what allows the FX to hit the nostrils at the right angle.

I shall try her tips tonight. My physician had goven me a F&P Opus to try in case the FX doesn't work, but the RT claims the FX will work better once I adjust it right. I shall be experimenting the next few days.

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Re: Swift FX

Post by oscar98 » Wed May 12, 2010 7:54 pm

manas wrote:I met my DME today to return my Activa LT and they told me to keep it for a few more days. Oh well. On my primary mask, my FX, I got a real RT today, and she gave me a few tips:

1) Seems the FX came with some covers for the plastic straps that were still inside the packet So she put them on for me and told me the straps will slip less with these covers.

These covers are kind of silky and I have more problems with slippage when I use then when I don't. The only use I have found for them is reducing mask marks in the morning.

2) She told me that although the "fitting" showed my nostrils are Medium, I should try a Large. She claims that for nasal pillows, it's better to go one size bigger. She said that when I turn to the side, the Large will be harder to dislodge from my nostrils than the Medium.

You might be different but for myself and my husband the bigger the pillow the bigger the leak. With the swift II he used medium pillows with no problem but a medium on the FX leaked like crazy. I settled on XS and he ended up using the small.

3) She also told me to make sure the side straps sat on my ears, and that the rear strap went below the curve at the back of my head.

This is completely contrary to how ResMed shows fitting the mask in the video on their website. Maybe moving the straps in the fashion she described will help you but it sounds rather uncomfortable to have the top strap across your ears especially if you sleep on your side. For me if that straps gets anywhere near my ear I wake up with the top of my ear feeling sore and bruised. When I was having trouble with leaks someone on here posted this video and after fitting the fx correctly I had much more luck. However, even with proper fit I still had leaks after a couple hours until I started putting some shea butter around the edge of my nostrils to help the pillows stick in place. http://www.resmed.com/us/products/swift ... s&sec=true

Seems I was hearing the FX higher than what she recommends. Moving the side straps changed the angle of my pillows and reduced the probability of the pillows hitting my septum. On my LT, I could change the angle at which the pillows hit my nostrils by pulling on the hose, and this adjustment is what allows the FX to hit the nostrils at the right angle.

I shall try her tips tonight. My physician had goven me a F&P Opus to try in case the FX doesn't work, but the RT claims the FX will work better once I adjust it right. I shall be experimenting the next few days.

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Re: Swift FX

Post by manas » Wed May 12, 2010 8:26 pm

Thanks, oscar98. I saw the video, and the position of the back strap matches what the RT told me, but the top part seems higher than what I thought I heard. The video says it should be midway between the eyes and the ears, not just above the ears. Maybe I had worn it too close to the eyes, and all she was telling me was to push it back further.

I shall try adjusting it in bed tonight. Thanks.

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Re: Swift FX

Post by oscar98 » Wed May 12, 2010 9:11 pm

manas wrote:Thanks, oscar98. I saw the video, and the position of the back strap matches what the RT told me, but the top part seems higher than what I thought I heard. The video says it should be midway between the eyes and the ears, not just above the ears. Maybe I had worn it too close to the eyes, and all she was telling me was to push it back further.

I shall try adjusting it in bed tonight. Thanks.
If you still have a problem with leaks don't forget to try some lansinoh or something similar. That helped me more then anything. I think just about any thick lotion would work as long as it doesn't have petrol products in it. I have a jar of Tree Hut Shea Butter on hand and that's worked great for me.

For me the trick is to put a dab on my finger and rub it around the edge of my nose and the gently pinch my nose to remove the excess. Then I put the mask on and pinch it from the outside edges and then poke it in the center and that seems to set it in just the right place.

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Re: Swift FX

Post by sleeplessinaz » Sun May 16, 2010 6:32 pm

Hi Oscar98--
I am having trouble getting the proper size of FX pillow. So your DME told you that you were a "medium" nasal pillow but you should use a "Large" and you now are using an Extra Small? Did she measure wrong or ? I am using the Swift LT for her and use the small size nasal pillows. I was trying to use the medium or small on the FX--still get leaks on both and use the Lansinoh cream on my nares too. UGH! The kit does not come with an extra small ---is it comfortable for you? Are you getting enough air? I am desperate to make the FX work---HAHAHAHA!!!

thanks for the help,

Carrie

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Re: Swift FX

Post by oscar98 » Sun May 16, 2010 6:43 pm

sleeplessinaz wrote:Hi Oscar98--
I am having trouble getting the proper size of FX pillow. So your DME told you that you were a "medium" nasal pillow but you should use a "Large" and you now are using an Extra Small? Did she measure wrong or ? I am using the Swift LT for her and use the small size nasal pillows. I was trying to use the medium or small on the FX--still get leaks on both and use the Lansinoh cream on my nares too. UGH! The kit does not come with an extra small ---is it comfortable for you? Are you getting enough air? I am desperate to make the FX work---HAHAHAHA!!!

thanks for the help,

Carrie
My husband started with a medium and went to a small. I started with a small and then requested that they order me an XS. You are right it does not come with it but if you have insurance to cover it then they should cover getting a new nasal pillow cushion which will allow you to get the right size if that's what you need.

For me the small leaked too much out the top edge of my nose and I couldn't get it to fit in place at all. The extra small fits much better and my 95th percentile leak rate is 0.0 with it. It is small but I've not noticed any problem with not getting enough air.

Also, I should mention that most people on hear find a better fit and less leaks with a lose fit but for me if I don't fit it kind of tight it leaks like crazy no matter what size I use. My top strap is tightened down to just stay in place but the back strap is fairly tight.

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Re: Swift FX

Post by manas » Sun May 16, 2010 6:59 pm

I was the one who was told try try Large. At my DME, the first MA measured me and told me I was a Medium. Then when I went in again, I met another one who was a real RT, and she told me she always sized folks one up, and that I should try a Large. I tried the Large for 2 nights, and switched back to Medium last night. M feels better to me. At the DME, everything feels fine (they have a bed where I lay down adn test for 5 mins), but it never feels the same at home again.

I shall try the F&P Opus M and then figure out which one feels best for me.

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Re: Swift FX

Post by Janknitz » Sun May 16, 2010 7:02 pm

I seem to be "between sizes" on my left (but not my right!) nostril (Swift LT, not FX), so the small is too small and leaks and the medium is too big and leaks.

I have this tweak I got from this post viewtopic.php?t=15104 (scroll down to Swift LT) and it works for my LT. My guess is it might work for the FX, too, because they are of similar (not identical) design.

It's using a rubber O-ring to make the nasal pillow stand up a little taller and firmer against the nostril. Here's a photo of mine in use: Image

The ring helps the nasal pillow stay sealed against my nostril and virtually eliminates the leaks.
What you need to know before you meet your DME http://tinyurl.com/2arffqx
Taming the Mirage Quattro http://tinyurl.com/2ft3lh8
Swift FX Fitting Guide http://tinyurl.com/22ur9ts
Don't Pay that Upcharge! http://tinyurl.com/2ck48rm

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Re: Swift FX

Post by oscar98 » Sun May 16, 2010 7:09 pm

Janknitz wrote:I seem to be "between sizes" on my left (but not my right!) nostril (Swift LT, not FX), so the small is too small and leaks and the medium is too big and leaks.

I have this tweak I got from this post viewtopic.php?t=15104 (scroll down to Swift LT) and it works for my LT. My guess is it might work for the FX, too, because they are of similar (not identical) design.

It's using a rubber O-ring to make the nasal pillow stand up a little taller and firmer against the nostril. Here's a photo of mine in use: Image

The ring helps the nasal pillow stay sealed against my nostril and virtually eliminates the leaks.
I've thinking about doing this to my FX because I wear it tight enough that it makes the pillows mush and I don't like how that feels.

The DME I got the FX from did not fit me at all. She handed me a bag of stuff and said thank you. I couldn't get any of the pillows to not leak so I called and told them I wanted the XS.

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Re: Swift FX

Post by sleeplessinaz » Sun May 16, 2010 7:30 pm

Thanks Oscar98----I too got my whole Swift FX kit in the mail --delivered by UPS!!! from Apria so I am pretty much trial and error here too.

Janknitz---The "O" ring looks good---what size do these come in? or what size "O" ring do you buy? where do they come from? Ace hardware or Home Depot places? LOL! this is so awful that we have to do all this work just to get some good sleep ---LOL!

If they say to go one size up--that means a medium for me and it leaks like crazy so that is why I went back to the small. You would think Resmed would have some QA on these products since they make the Swift LT and the FX for pete's sake!!

Thanks everyone for your help!!!

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Re: Swift FX

Post by Janknitz » Sun May 16, 2010 9:46 pm

Remember, I didn't come up with this idea--so don't be giving me any credit

For the small LT pillows I used a 5/8 X 7/8 X3/32/ #9 O-ring, but you may need other sized O rings for other pillows--larger or smaller depending on the diameter of the pillow--also thinner O-rings for a bit less support. For $0.39 each at Ace Hardware or the like, you can't go wrong. Buy a bunch and try them out.
What you need to know before you meet your DME http://tinyurl.com/2arffqx
Taming the Mirage Quattro http://tinyurl.com/2ft3lh8
Swift FX Fitting Guide http://tinyurl.com/22ur9ts
Don't Pay that Upcharge! http://tinyurl.com/2ck48rm

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Re: Swift FX

Post by oscar98 » Sun May 16, 2010 10:15 pm

Janknitz, I just noticed that is a rubber o ring. How long have you been using it that way? Aren't those pillows silicone? Usually rubber + silicone = strange morphy things happen.

I guess if you've had it this way for a while and not had a problem then it must be ok.