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roster wrote:Provigil Use In Autoimmune Disease
Patient comments: http://www.wellsphere.com/general-medic ... 45934ADCCE

Come on, Rooster! Read some real research instead of quoting one ignorant opinion.

SleepingUgly wrote:

roster wrote:Provigil Use In Autoimmune Disease
Patient comments: http://www.wellsphere.com/general-medic ... 45934ADCCE

Come on, Rooster! Read some real research instead of quoting one ignorant opinion.

I am surprised you are active in cpaptalk if you consider the lady's comments to be an "ignorant opinion". She just reported her evaluation of her experience with the drug. That also is the primary activity in cpaptalk - patients reporting their experience with the CPAP process. Here is what the lady said:

I consider modafinil my ace-up-my-sleeve drug, only to be used when I have been dealt a seriously crummy hand of cards. It was prescribed to me by my neurologist after he had evaluated me extensively for various autoimmune-related issues.
Modafinil has several positive effects for me: About 30 minutes after I take it, I feel a renewed sense of energy. My brain fog seems to clear somewhat and I can count on functioning reasonably well for about three to four hours. It feels like I've consumed a triple shot latte, but the effects arrive more gradually and taper more slowly than a post coffee crash. It also does not seem to cause my blood sugar to drop either, as I have frequently noticed with caffeine.
Sounds great, right?
Unfortunately, modafinil also has its disadvantages.
The energy created by this medication is not authentic energy - I onlyfeelas though I have my old reserves back. If I don't monitor myself carefully, I will overstep my limits and pay for this with a three day crash and burn session.
http://www.wellsphere.com/general-medic ... 45934ADCCE

If her opinion offends you, get over it or stew on it - your choice.

roster wrote:

SleepingUgly wrote:

roster wrote:Provigil Use In Autoimmune Disease
Patient comments: http://www.wellsphere.com/general-medic ... 45934ADCCE

Come on, Rooster! Read some real research instead of quoting one ignorant opinion.

I am surprised you are active in cpaptalk if you consider the lady's comments to be an "ignorant opinion". She just reported her evaluation of her experience with the drug. That also is the primary activity in cpaptalk - patients reporting their experience with the CPAP process. Here is what the lady said:

I consider modafinil my ace-up-my-sleeve drug, only to be used when I have been dealt a seriously crummy hand of cards. It was prescribed to me by my neurologist after he had evaluated me extensively for various autoimmune-related issues.
Modafinil has several positive effects for me: About 30 minutes after I take it, I feel a renewed sense of energy. My brain fog seems to clear somewhat and I can count on functioning reasonably well for about three to four hours. It feels like I've consumed a triple shot latte, but the effects arrive more gradually and taper more slowly than a post coffee crash. It also does not seem to cause my blood sugar to drop either, as I have frequently noticed with caffeine.
Sounds great, right?
Unfortunately, modafinil also has its disadvantages.
The energy created by this medication is not authentic energy - I onlyfeelas though I have my old reserves back. If I don't monitor myself carefully, I will overstep my limits and pay for this with a three day crash and burn session.
http://www.wellsphere.com/general-medic ... 45934ADCCE

If her opinion offends you, get over it or stew on it - your choice.

Don't forget this part of her opinion:

Some people experience a kind of euphoria when taking this medication. It does have addictive properties similar to those of amphetamines, and is considered a schedule IV drug, meaning that is a controlled substance and must be prescribed and closely monitored by your physician. Unfortunately for me, or maybe fortunately, depending on how you look at it, I don't seem to experience the euphoric effects.

I don't have a problem with someone reporting their opinion. However, you often cite anecdotal information from one person or a study with an N of 1, usually supporting your opinion that psychotropics or psychotherapy or stimulants are bad. If there is research indicating that Provigil produces euphoria and has addictive properties similar to amphetamines, then by all means cite it. But when you cite one person spouting misinformation, someone reading it may think it is factual and be less inclined to pursue a course of action that could be helpful to them. "Oh, Provigil can be addictive. I don't want that..."

If Provigil is a problem, then traditional stimulants are a problem, and if all wake-promoting agents are a problem, that doesn't leave a person with residual EDS many treatment options. It's pretty damn depressing, but don't take antidepressants because they are evil. And don't talk to mental health professionals because that's a bunch of nonsense too.

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. I do sometimes tease/zab at you a bit relentlessly.

SleepingUgly wrote:
I don't have a problem with someone reporting their opinion. However, you often cite anecdotal information from one person or a study with an N of 1, usually supporting your opinion that psychotropics or psychotherapy or stimulants are bad.

I figured as much - your post had nothing to do with my post in this thread - why could you not be open about that? You are holding a grudge because of my earlier posts criticizing the widespread over-prescribing of mind-altering drugs (particularly SSRIs), the inappropriateness of such drugs, the damage they do, the ineffectiveness, the high total cost and the covering up and delaying in treatment of the root cause of conditions.

Freedom to take such drugs is not enough for you. In addition you want anonymous posters on an internet web site to favor the drugs.

Don't worry about the former as far as I am concerned. My views are quite liberal toward the market's freedom to produce and consume. You will not see me lobbying for government restrictions of these drugs.

Is that not enough for you? I think you will only worry yourself needlessly to seek my approval.

roster wrote: I figured as much - your post had nothing to do with my post in this thread - why could you not be open about that? You are holding a grudge
because of my earlier posts criticizing the widespread over-prescribing of mind-altering drugs (particularly SSRIs), the inappropriateness of such drugs, the damage they do, the ineffectiveness, the high total cost and the covering up and delaying in treatment of the root cause of conditions.

First of all, I'm not a grudge-holder. I think it's a waste of time and energy (although I'm starting to wonder if repeatedly trying to set the record straight on the misinformation you post is not equally a waste of time and energy...). It is true, however, that if this were your very first post perpetuating misinformation that could deter someone who is not knowledgeable from further investigating a treatment that could help them, then I probably wouldn't have responded like I did.

Secondly, my post does have something to do with this thread. There are many people who are CPAP-compliant and still need wake-promoting agents to function. To disseminate misinformation about Provigil/Nuvigil (i.e., it's risky, it causes euphoria, it's addictive) is not helpful to them. Just as you see CPAP as a life-saving device, for some people, despite CPAP use, Provigil is the difference between whether they drive off the road or not, whether they can hold down a job, etc. The original poster, who still feels tired despite three years of CPAP use, was looking for information about the medication, not misinformation. If you personally had experienced "euphoria" and "addiction" in response to the medication, and you posted that, I wouldn't have responded as I did. But when you post links, the expectation is that this is solid information that the poster should consider. Again, if this were your first time posting misleading, biased information, I probably would have responded more neutrally. Perhaps either way, what I should have done is more like I was doing originally, which is negating the content of what you posted, instead of criticizing you and your tactics.

I tease you (e.g., viewtopic.php?f=1&t=51042&p=470050&hilit=zyrtec#p469918) because I had detected a sense of humor but I have obviously hurt your feelings and/or made you angry, and I apologize again for that.

To the original poster: There is no information that I've seen to suggest that Provigil or Nuvigil are "addictive". In fact, the research does not even show tolerance to the medication's effects (i.e., needing more medication to get the same effect), although some doctors feel there may eventually be some degree of tolerance. In my opinion, the risk of tolerance and the implications of it are too minimal for that to factor into your decision. I've never seen, nor experienced, "euphoria" from any stimulant medication, including Provigil and Nuvigil. My perception is that Provigil and Nuvigil tend to have a gradual onset of action, so in my experience, when they work you just realize that you haven't thought about how tired you are for the last hour or two like you normally do. In short, my opinion, based on my experience and what I've read is that sleepy people who take stimulants or wake-promoting agents such as these, in doses prescribed, at best feel "normal".

SleepingUgly wrote:
To the original poster: There is no information that I've seen to suggest that Provigil or Nuvigil are "addictive". In fact, the research does not even show tolerance to the medication's effects (i.e., needing more medication to get the same effect), although some doctors feel there may eventually be some degree of tolerance. In my opinion, the risk of tolerance and the implications of it are too minimal for that to factor into your decision. I've never seen, nor experienced, "euphoria" from any stimulant medication, including Provigil and Nuvigil. My perception is that Provigil and Nuvigil tend to have a gradual onset of action, so in my experience, when they work you just realize that you haven't thought about how tired you are for the last hour or two like you normally do. In short, my opinion, based on my experience and what I've read is that sleepy people who take stimulants or wake-promoting agents such as these, in doses prescribed, at best feel "normal".

Now that was a good post unlike your first one in this series:

.... one ignorant opinion.

I am not a fan of apologies - either given or received. I would rather you explain your point of view - which you now did.

I wonder if that lady has ever been screened for SDB?