Exhaling with the Swift LT

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allinknots
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Re: Exhaling with the Swift LT

Post by allinknots » Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:17 pm

MarylandCPAPer wrote:
(Sometimes it feels like the raised Resmed name on the pillows is pressing too hard on the top part of my nose, and that I'll wake up with a nose branding! So I loosen things so that won't happen!)
Allinknots:

I use the Swift LT for Her mask. The raised Resmed name is on the outside top of my nasal pillows, not facing my nose. Have you tried reversing the position of the nasal pillows to see if it makes a difference? I have only been using the mask for a few weeks (just diagnosed with OSA last month) but I haven't had the problems you describe.
Trying to understand here--if the raised Resmed name is on the outside top of the pillows, it would be facing towards the nose (as opposed to place between your nose and your mouth). When I mentioned that the pillows sometimes press too hard on the top part of my nose, I guess I don't really mean the top of my nose--I meant towards the bottom tip of my nose. Sorry for my poor description! It feels that I get the most air when the pillows are so snugged in that the ResMed word presses against that part of my nose, that it sometimes turns a bit red. (The "branding" reference was really just an exaggeration.)

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Re: Exhaling with the Swift LT

Post by JanB » Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:58 pm

allinknots wrote:I had issues with this mask when I first used it, too, but have overcome the problems for the most part. (Please see my past posts on this.)

I'll explain what helped me, however this is a "do-it-at-your-own-risk" kind of thing. (Most people advise *against* altering their masks.)

I felt that it required too much effor to exhale; I didn't feel it was natural to have to forcibly push your air out. I ended up enlarging the exhale ports/holes on my mask. I used a heavy-duty needle at first, and then even used the point of embroidery scissors. I got it to the point where I could exhale and feel that adequate air was escaping. My "numbers" have been pretty good: 1.9 to 3.9 AHI each night. (Resmed Auto cpap.) If anything, I'd think the numbers would show worse than is actually the case since the mask was not designed with "escape"/exhale ports that large.

As far as the difficult-to-breathe-problem when you first lay down: I experience that, too. This is what I do. I lay down on my back with the mask, and adjust the headstrap a bit as needed to feel comfortable. If I feel too "smothered," I loosen the straps a bit. If I feel the nosepiece is too loose or insecure, I tighten a bit. I adjust the nasal pillow part a bit too. (Sometimes it feels like the raised Resmed name on the pillows is pressing too hard on the top part of my nose, and that I'll wake up with a nose branding! So I loosen things so that won't happen!)

And here is the unusual part: AT FIRST I purposely PART MY LIPS, inhale through my nose and exhale through my mouth. I tilt the nasal pillows ever so slightly with my fingers and HOLD IT IN PLACE at the exact position that gives me the most incoming air, wiggling them a bit here and there to allow optimal air inhalation. I am still holding them there with my fingers, breathing in with my nose, exhaling mainly through my mouth. I do this for about a minute, then I gradually let go. It seems like the pillows have formed and "stuck" exactly the way I was holding them. I gradually close my mouth, while still exhaling through my mouth a bit. (i.e. I begin to close my mouth a bit, still exhaling through it, but also exhaling through my nose.) I do this until I can comfortably inhale as well as exhale through my nose, and then I completely close them and keep my mouth shut.

This whole procedure takes about 3 minutes for me, I'd guess.

I have a theory as to why this works. I think my heart-rate is increased a bit as I'm setting up the cpap, putting on the mask, laying down to go to sleep, etc. I lay down, but my heart is still going fast, and I'm breathing at a harder, faster rate than when resting. The gradual mouth closing bit allows me to inhale more strongly and then exhale the amount I need to in order to allow the next incoming breath. As I relax, my heart-rate slows and my breathing rate slows and is a bit more shallow. That's when I can close my mouth.

After this whole shenanigans is done, I can usually roll to one side or the other and get into my favorite sleeping position.

If you try this and it works for you, please let me know!

hth,
All in Knots

This is my first time posting here so I am unsure if I am using the correct convention for posting. So apologies in advance. I was just trying to copy and repost a paragraph out of this post since it is what I am experiencing as well. (I am agreeing with your theory about heart rate as you set up, etc). I am going to try your method and see how it works. This syndrome was exacerbated by the onset of some asthma problem last week and it left me sleeping with mask (LT swift) and machine Respironics auto bi pap for only a few hours a night...quite a departure from my 100% every night, all night since starting xpap a little over two months ago.

Am now on increased meds for Asthma so that "I can't breathe in the middle of the night" is calming down considerably...but I do think that the condition you are describing contributed to making a perfect storm of "difficult to breathe."

Also-- I have read elsewhere that there are known problems with the Swift nasal pillows themselves. Are any of you aware of those?

Thanks
Jan

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Re: Exhaling with the Swift LT

Post by calamityjane403 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:13 pm

I have only been using a CPAP for a few months but have gone through 5 different masks in that time. One of them was the Swift LT and I had the same issues. Every night when I would put it on I would start to hyperventilate and would end up going back to my first mask which made my facial pain worse. I so wanted the Swift to work that I even tried wearing my mask with my machine on while I was watching tv so that I wouldn't focus on the exhaling. I would hyperventilate even then. So I tried just wearing my mask without the machine on and I couldn't breath then either. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?, I thought to myself, how can I not exhale through this darn thing. So I went out to the manufacturers website to see if there were any hints on how to get past the problems and realized that the DME had put the nasal pillows in upside down. AWESOME I thought, I'll turn those puppies around and I will be good to go. It definitely helped to have the pillows in the right way but I still had issues with hyperventilating. In the end I moved on to a different mask, and a different mask and finally a different mask until I found my 'dream' mask the Respironics EasyLife. I have also had problems with rainout (nothing like taking your daily shower while you sleep ) and turned my humidifier down to just below 1.

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Re: Exhaling with the Swift LT

Post by MarylandCPAPer » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:21 pm

Allinknots wrote:
(Sometimes it feels like the raised Resmed name on the pillows is pressing too hard on the top part of my nose, and that I'll wake up with a nose branding! So I loosen things so that won't happen!)

MarylandCPAPer wrote:
Allinknots:
I use the Swift LT for Her mask. The raised Resmed name is on the outside top of my nasal pillows, not facing my nose. Have you tried reversing the position of the nasal pillows to see if it makes a difference? I have only been using the mask for a few weeks (just diagnosed with OSA last month) but I haven't had the problems you describe.

Allinknots wrote:
Trying to understand here--if the raised Resmed name is on the outside top of the pillows, it would be facing towards the nose (as opposed to place between your nose and your mouth). When I mentioned that the pillows sometimes press too hard on the top part of my nose, I guess I don't really mean the top of my nose--I meant towards the bottom tip of my nose. Sorry for my poor description! It feels that I get the most air when the pillows are so snugged in that the ResMed word presses against that part of my nose, that it sometimes turns a bit red. (The "branding" reference was really just an exaggeration.)

All in Knots
Hi,

I'm brand new to this so I don't know if all Swift LT nasal pillows are designed identically and if they go on the same on all Swift LT masks. When I took the nasal pillows off to clean them, I noticed that the nasal pillows can be attached several different ways to the LT headgear and that it was hard to breathe when I put them back on "wrong" once. Maybe our pillows are a different size, are different designs, or fit us differently, but the raised Resmed name (when on the outer top of the pillows) doesn't touch my face, so when I read about being "branded, " I wondered if the nasal pillows may have gotten reversed in position on your mask (or mine).

On a related topic, I read a long thread on here about the newer LT nasal pillows being lower quality than older ones. I assume I have "newer" ones since I got the mask a few weeks ago. Has Resmed done anything to improve the quality, and do you (or anyone) know how long before the problem in the LT nasal pillows may show up?

Thanks!

Maryland CPAPer

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Re: Exhaling with the Swift LT

Post by allinknots » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:02 pm

MarylandCPAPer wrote:
I noticed that the nasal pillows can be attached several different ways to the LT headgear and that it was hard to breathe when I put them back on "wrong" once.
I think they can only go on two ways: one with the name on the top (which correct), the other with the name on the bottom, which points the air downwards, and is incorrect. (See page six of the User guide, photo number four. The little dots on the pillows should be on the same side (right side) as the dot on the headstrap.)
MarylandCPAPer wrote:
Maybe our pillows are a different size, are different designs, or fit us differently, but the raised Resmed name (when on the outer top of the pillows) doesn't touch my face, so when I read about being "branded, " I wondered if the nasal pillows may have gotten reversed in position on your mask (or mine).
I edited my post to explain the "branded" part. I'm not really branded by the name, but I sometimes feel the name brush the bottom of the tip of my nose. (I have kind of a short, squat nose. Your nose might have a different shape than mine, and the name part might never touch it.)
MarylandCPAPer wrote:

On a related topic, I read a long thread on here about the newer LT nasal pillows being lower quality than older ones. I assume I have "newer" ones since I got the mask a few weeks ago. Has Resmed done anything to improve the quality, and do you (or anyone) know how long before the problem in the LT nasal pillows may show up?
I asked something similar in another post. There are a few, long threads about them on this board, which should provide you with the answers you're looking for!

hth,
AiK

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Re: Exhaling with the Swift LT

Post by plr66 » Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:06 pm

MarylandCPAPer wrote:
On a related topic, I read a long thread on here about the newer LT nasal pillows being lower quality than older ones. I assume I have "newer" ones since I got the mask a few weeks ago. Has Resmed done anything to improve the quality, and do you (or anyone) know how long before the problem in the LT nasal pillows may show up?
Maryland CPAPer
There is nothing whatever to indicate that ResMed has ever bothered to correct this problem. You do have the newer sleazy quality pillows, in all liklihood. Sorry for the bad news. I think it is beyond belief that this company has not bothered to live up to their charaded claims. But they don't have to concern themselves with those of us here who are such a small minority who are educating ourselves and bring some intelligence to the table. They are going for the $$$ via DME's who just go for the bottom line. I guess.
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