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Post by Muse-Inc » Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:41 pm

MoneyGal wrote:...I also read what Muse-Inc said is a normal breakfast -- the spinach, two eggs, cheese crustless quiche -- and was floored at how much food that seems to be...
Oh my, big misunderstanding...SORRY! My b'fast is usually a high protein shake. I have eaten the nuked spinach, 2 eggs, 2 oz ham, 1-2 oz cheese for dinner as often for lunch or b'fast. The crustless quiche is made with 8 eggs, 1.5-2 cups combo of half n'half+heavy cream, 2 cups asparagus, 1/2 cup sliced leeks, 1/3 cup parsley -- then cut into 6 servings; again, I eat this as often for dinner or lunch. Lunch for me is usually 3-4 ozs of cooked ground beef with chili powder, cumin, diced tomatoes, 1.5-1 oz shredded cheese, a little salsa.

All foods consist of proteins, carbs, fats or some combination. Proteins are animals or fish. Carbs are typically things that grow in the ground like fruits or veggies. Fats usually accompany proteins as in cheese or are squeezed from grains (corn), veggies, seeds, or nuts. Some foodstuffs, for example, dairy, are a mix of proteins, carbs, and fats. While many veggies have some protein, we don't really have the digestive process to efficiently separate the protein from the fiber.

When people talk about carbs, typically they mean the carbs minus the fiber (fiber is not absorbed and does not affect insulin or blood sugar levels). The theory is that about 75% of Americans & Canadians are sensitive to the amt of carb they eat. That means they over-secrete insulin (the hormone that stores excess carbs as fat) when they eat carbs thus must limit the amt they eat; too, these folks tend to be prone to diabetes (type 2 or adult onset) because their natural glucose control system does not work well so their blood sugar rises too high when they eat carbs. These folks are often the ones who struggle with their weight and who gain easily (all that insulin packs on the fats when carbs are eaten in excess). This doesn't mean that they can't eat any carbs, it does mean that they have to figure out how much they can eat or restrict (an is the glass half full or half empty sort of thing); there is a certain number of grams of carbs that when eaten will be stored as fat, under that level and fat will be lost....that's where carb counting comes in for some people. Some will lose just by eliminating or severely restricting bread, pasta, rice, potatoes and reducing fruit to half portions letting that be dessert instead of sweets. Now, that said, I do eat dark chocolate...usually daily...the 75-85% cocoa kind, it's not very sweet and it makes a tasty dessert. This form of chocolate is good because it's a mood upper and its components are good for heart health. If you are not one of the 75%, then a calorie or low-fat+high carb diet will probably work, but these are the folks who typically do not have a lot of wt to lose as they do not over-secret insulin in response to eating carbs.

I hope this helps. Sorry for the confusion! I think I'd explode if I ate that much

PS You can succeed at this! You broke a board with your foot for goodness sake and that took a lot more work-training than figuring out an eating plan that will work for you! Many of us figure out a few meals that work and stick to them until we get bored. Yrs ago I lost eating like this: b'fast 2 eggs, slice of cheese, 2-3 slices bacon, half-size serving of grits OR 1 slice seeded rye bread with cream cheese; lunch big salad with 4 ozs meat with lots of fibery salad veggies (celery, radishes, bell peppers) little or no dressing (surprising how satisfying shredded cheese is as a substitute) or some gucamole; snack 1 cheese stick; dinner 5-6 ozs meat or 7-8 oz fish, salad, low carb veggy w butter, small tangerine or 1/3 cup berries with real whipped cream. You can do this!
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Re: Requesting BASIC diet/weightloss advice and support

Post by ozij » Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:16 pm

A video of a talk about "Good Calories Bad Calories" worth every minute of the 72.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7661765149#

Health at Every Size get the book
http://www.lindabacon.org/HAESbook/

Beyond a shadow of a diet browse the site, consider the book -- more oriented for therapist --
http://www.beyondashadowofadiet.com/id69.html

The diet survivors handbook -- browse the site, get the book and use it (by the authors of the above)
http://dietsurvivors.com/

Bodypositive - browse the site.
http://www.bodypositive.com/

Don't focus on you weight.

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Re: Requesting BASIC diet/weightloss advice and support

Post by jules » Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:37 pm

You begin with not gaining weight - accomplish that first.

Then you start making gradual life style changes - increase exercise, eat more fiber, drink more water, get rid of the bad carbs, increase the veggies and fruit, get rid of the bad fat, increase the good fats -- now this isn't just one step or what you attempt to do on day 1 -- this all takes time and so I said gradual changes - pick one for this week and do it and then next week pick another one and do it as well as what you did this week and keep building that up.

Reward yourself when you accomplish something - and I don't mean food but maybe a toy or a game or jewelry item.

And whatever you do don't think this is a temporary diet - it is a lifestyle change for the rest of your life and don't try to lose it all too fast - take your time as long as you have the general maintenance or downward trend weight wise.

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Post by Gerryk » Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:49 pm

DoriC wrote:Gerry, do you follow a particular low carb diet book or was it Dr prescribed? Sounds pretty sensible to me.
DoriC, I don't follow anything in particular, however what I do is what I learned when I was younger. My father was told he is borderline diabetic in the early 70's and had gained a lot of weight. He went on the atkins diet and lots everything he wanted to. He and his doctor modified the diet adding some stuff to it to maintain his weight and to manage his blood sugar. So, I basically ate the way he did until I got too busy to eat and just ate what ever I could.

I did go to a doctor and discussed the diet I was going to follow with the doctors approval. I don't remember exactly, but I was either 240 or 245 and have gotten down to between 195 and 200. I have exercised and slowly increase the amount of exercise I do. I have tried to limit the amount of weight lifting I do because I don't really want to bulk up.

Water is also very very important. I started drinking some green tea and also have some of the powder mixes that go into the plastic bottled water. I use twice as much water as they say to use. I just use it to add a little taste to the water.

I kind of follow a simple rule myself. If I don't use the washroom about once every hour and a half during the day, I am not drinking enough water to flush the junk out of my body.

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Post by MoneyGal » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:38 am

I only have a moment (because I'm off to the GYM! ha!) but I am coming in to say thank you, THANK YOU for all the replies.

I have lots more to say but I honestly think the biggest thing for me about this is to realize how emotionally-loaded this whole area of life is for me. My parents are extremely strict vegans, and I was raised with many, many food restrictions and rules. I believe I have never learned how to make my own choices in this area of life.

Add undiagnosed OSA for at least 5 years, plus three pregnancies (one late miscarriage and two healthy kids) in 4 years, and you end up with a very fit, but fat person. Now add a completely torn ACL (a tendon in my knee) sustained while playing soccer in November and a requirement for surgery, so no sustained activity (just rehab) and a long year stretching ahead of me of knee reconstruction with a surgeon who is skeptical that I will make good use of his time and efforts because of my weight. And I realize, from the comments of my surgeon, just how unhappy with my weight I am. I feel like I need to break everything down and build up from the start, as if I am learning to eat for the very first time.

Like I said, gotta run (hobble. I'm off to the gym at the university where I work for exercise bike and then physio for an hour, then work). I'll be back. I appreciate the support. I have lots of questions. But I feel like I have started somewhere...or like I have a place to start.

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Post by MoneyGal » Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:27 am

Physio phoned when I was in the shower and cancelled - my therapist is ill. So, I'm at work early, unphysio'd. (I'll do a set when I get home tonight.)

SAG: I got "The Beck Diet Solution," by cognitive therapist Judith Beck, out of the library (after a long hold) and read the first section, which REALLY resonated with me, and then got completely stopped at starting the second section (which deals with actually changing your eating). Then I had to return the book to the library. I think I might buy it...even though some of the exercises seemed "dumb" (write out all the reasons you want to lose weight on a card and look at it through the day) I suspect that is actually fear and overwhelm talking, not ... intellect.

Anyone who knows me knows I have tremendous strength and resolve in some areas of life. For example, anything to do with money. And in my work I've talked to many, many people who are overwhelmed and afraid in this area, and feel like they can't make any positive change. I know that my own fears in this area of my own life probably seem as ... trivial? overcomeable? unreasonable? as the fears that "I will never have a powerful relationship with money" can seem to another looking in.

I think I probably need support on all three dimensions, but the cognitive most of all. I have many disempowering thoughts about myself, my body, my weight...and they are so pervasive I don't even notice them any more. TattooYu said early on in this thread that what it will take is loving myself and that seems like the hardest part of all.

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Post by Catnap » Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:28 am

Babette wrote:A little off topic...

Joanie, have you noticed that PBS is basically running a bunch of infomercials lately? I'm skeptical of this one. Seems like most of their health specials the last few years have been some quack selling a book or tapes or something.

You watch it and tell us what you think. But after the last few years, I'm jaded.

Cheers,
B.
A couple quick notes: First of all, no, it doesn't seem like it's been that way here, but we get kind of a "provincial" version of PBS, it seems like. Lots of repeats, lots of BBC, not much new content at all. That's part of the reason I get excited about a new program.

Secondly, I'm not Joanie -- I'm Jo Ann. We inadvertently have similar cpaptalk names, real names, and even avatars! I've been trying to think up a new cpaptalk name to help keep things straight, but haven't come up with one yet. Joanie has been a member much longer than I have, so I feel she should get to keep the name (technically, her name is Catnapper, but you can see the problem). She asked in a post awhile ago whether anyone besides the two of us had noticed the similarity -- I guess the answer is yes

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Post by SingleMom » Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:18 am

Do you eat breakfast? This is a huge one. I'm sort of on atkins. I modified it a bit so when I do have some kind of treat, it's not that big of a hit.

I lost 6 lbs by ADDING food to my day. I eat far more calories when I'm on a diet than my normal or preferred diet. I have coffee in the morning. Maybe some more coffee around lunch, and eat dinner. I've gained 50 lbs by NOT eating! LOL.

My basic meal plan is: Breakfast- bacon, egg, a slice of american cheese. Lunch- salad with tomato, mozzeralla (sp?) cheese, creamy ceasar dressing (no carbs in the dressing). sometimes I'll put tuna without mayo in the salad, depends on my mood. For dinner, I try to get as little carbs as possible and lots of veggies. I try really hard not to make separate meals for the kids because if I make them pasta, I'm eating it. Atkins forbids fruit in the beginning and when I read about it, I did have a problem with a diet that didn't allow fruits. But then I realized that I don't eat fruit everyday anyway! (I do add a piece of fruit to each of the kids' meals and snacks). For my snacks, I LOVE tomato slices with mozzarella cheese.

The hardest for me is eating breakfast, but after a few days it's easier.

Atkins does have a free 2 week meal plan online somewhere, if you're interested.

Another site is spark people. It's free and they can give you meal plans, support, exercise plans, different groups (like moms of preschoolers, 20 somethings with x amount to lose, etc.).

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Post by MoneyGal » Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:27 am

You know, maybe I'm just an outlier. I'm going to keep a food journal, but here's a typical day (yesterday):

Breakfast is 3/4 cup low-fat cottage cheese with fresh sliced pineapple on top, 1/2 cup of coffee with skim milk

Morning snack is one cup of coffee with whole milk

Lunch is a small tuna wrap

Afternoon snack is two cups of tea with a plain apple

Dinner is homemade meatballs (I had 5), homemade coleslaw with vinegar dressing, homemade warm eggplant salad with garlic and tomatoes. No seconds. No dessert.

That's it. No carbs in particular. No cookies. No "bad" snacks.

Exercise yesterday was one hour of gruelling physio (for a totally blown knee). My normal exercise in a day includes one hour of cycling to work and back, plus martial arts training 2-3x per week.

You see where I'm going with this? Or maybe not. Maybe I just have to get my calorie consumption down to a really, really, really low level. I don't know. I can't add a lot of exercise right now because of my knee limitations. However, I am going to the dojang on Saturday morning to see what I can do and I'm expecting to start modified training next week. I am going to see whether my doctor will clear me to ride my bike to work again.

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Post by Muse-Inc » Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:53 am

A few thoughts that might help if you are in the 75% carb-sensitive group.
MoneyGal wrote:Breakfast is 3/4 cup low-fat cottage cheese with fresh sliced pineapple on top, 1/2 cup of coffee with skim milk
Too much carb to the amt of protein and not enough fat (not enough fat will slow down wt loss & not enough protein causes muscle wasting on a low-calorie eating plan). Suggest you switch to full-fat cottage cheese (carbs=2-4 vs 6-10 for lowfat), 1/2 cup pineapple (C=9), heavy cream (C=0 vs 3 for skim) for 11-13 vs 18-22 carbs. Meals and snacks should have more protein than carb.
MoneyGal wrote:Morning snack is one cup of coffee with whole milk
2 ozs (C=3-4): suggest using heavy cream instead for 0 carb
MoneyGal wrote:Lunch is a small tuna wrap
No comment as I have no idea what is in the wrap or what it is made of
MoneyGal wrote:Afternoon snack is two cups of tea with a plain apple
Apple (C=18 for a peeled, 2.75" diameter), no fat, no protein. Suggest smallest apple you can find and adding an oz of cheese.
MoneyGal wrote:Dinner is homemade meatballs (I had 5), homemade coleslaw with vinegar dressing, homemade warm eggplant salad with garlic and tomatoes. No seconds. No dessert.
Sounds like a good dinner as long as you didn't add a lot of bread to the meatballs.
MoneyGal wrote:Exercise yesterday was one hour...
After 45 mins we typically produce a lot of cortisol and that almost always drives up insulin levels as well as the other stress hormones. If it's intense or hard, the time when cortisol is released begins earlier...studies repeatedly show that long, less intense sessions produce more fat-burning than short (or long) intense sessions...paradoxical isn't it. The real metabolic advantage of exercise is creating more muscle which burns more calories as I'm sure you understand; if done at least every 36 hrs, it reduces insulin resistance.
MoneyGal wrote:just have to get my calorie consumption down to a really, really, really low level...
To reduce calories, people drop fat and increase carbs...the opposite of what is needed by a carb-sensitive person. If you are carb-sensitive, a low-fat diet will always defeat your efforts to lose wt. Plus, it will dramatically increase your insulin resistenace, insulin levels, total cholesterol (esp LDL the 'bad' sort) and your triglycerides. For most of us, low-calorie is an invitation to unremitting hunger and uncontrollable cravings.

I've heard it said that the key to a low-carb eating plan for wt loss is to eat just enough fat for satiety (and to delay the absorbtion of carbs) forcing the body to burn fat (mobilize from the fat cells) for the additional fuel it needs for day to day functioning.

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Post by MoneyGal » Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:28 pm

Oh! This is SO helpful. I am so grateful for your input. (and the "permission" to eat full-fat cottage cheese!)

Muse: what resources do you draw on? Cookbooks, websites? I'm thinking in particular for eating (as opposed to the "science behind" the eating).

BTW, I exercise every day, right now it is very intense muscle rebuilding in my lower body (hamstrings, quads, calves) as I prepare for knee surgery. Think squats, lunges, leg presses, hamstring curls.

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Post by Babette » Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:38 pm

Catnap wrote: Secondly, I'm not Joanie -- I'm Jo Ann.
AACK! Sorry JoAnn and Joanie!!! I'm nearsighted. I couldn't tell you apart on the computer!

Did you watch it yet? What do you think?

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Post by Babette » Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:53 pm

MoneyGal wrote:I have lots more to say but I honestly think the biggest thing for me about this is to realize how emotionally-loaded this whole area of life is for me. My parents are extremely strict vegans, and I was raised with many, many food restrictions and rules. I believe I have never learned how to make my own choices in this area of life.
You're not alone. I have been in denial for YEARS that my weight had anything to do with my emotions.

I broke down crying at a meeting with my Nutrition coach this week. She ended up recommending a program to me that I've enrolled in. My first class is Monday the 18th. It's available at most Y's and many churches. Plus I think you can buy the books without the class on Amazon. I'm sharing it here, for anyone else reading this thread who might benefit from this: http://www.journeytofreedom.org/

I'm told that many non-religious and non-Christians find value in this program.

What struck me was this: "Scott’s passion for helping people break free from life controlling issues began while serving as Senior Wellness Director for the Green Hills YMCA in Nashville, TN. Each day as Scott met with people to discuss their fitness goals, bigger issues surfaced — issues such as depression, loneliness, substance abuse, disordered eating, and low self-esteem.

That re-emerging pattern of mental and spiritual suffering sparked a burning passion in Scott to integrate the mind, body and spirit to help hurting people achieve true health and happiness. And, he used the YMCA’s heritage of faith to develop a powerful Christ-centered curriculum that would ignite a process of lasting change in people’s lives."

I have procrastinated about getting any mental health therapy since my father's death in February 2009. I've recognized that I was severely depressed, but I thought I was pulling out of it. Suddenly I realize there's way more going on than that in my head. And I'm suddenly realizing that I eat to comfort myself. I didn't recognize myself in the gal eating a gallon of ice cream after a breakup. But there I am eating an entire sleeve of graham crackers after a frustrating day at the office. And I look forward all week to the weekends when I can go out to dinner at favorite restaurants with my BF. It's the only "fun" on our radar these days. How sad is that?

So, I'm just tossing that out there, for anyone else who might need that.

Hugs and best wishes,
Barbara

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Post by Muse-Inc » Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:01 pm

MoneyGal wrote:Oh! This is SO helpful. I am so grateful for your input. (and the "permission" to eat full-fat cottage cheese!)
Yeah, no more low fat anything...yipee!!!
MoneyGal wrote:Muse: what resources do you draw on? Cookbooks, websites? I'm thinking in particular for eating (as opposed to the "science behind" the eating).
Can't help here as I learned to cook early and love it...I used to make the best pasta dishes . I read recipes for flavor combinations or techniques.
MoneyGal wrote:very intense muscle rebuilding in my lower body (hamstrings, quads, calves) as I prepare for knee surgery. Think squats, lunges, leg presses, hamstring curls.
Makes me ache to read that! Good for you should make recovery go much faster and more effectively. Whne I broke both legs bones in my left ankle and was pinned, they had me on Cybex equipment, one set of reps+resistance for one ankle and another for the other ankle where I had torn 'things' so one was stonger but without endurance & vice versa...I hadda keep it on a card to get it right when I hooked myself in. Ortho doc had me walking in deep water 45 mins 3 times/wk for healing and to remind my muscles how to walk without limping -- good therapy, it worked! Might ask if something like that might help that knee afterwards.

Babette, it's so true that eating subs for a whole lotta things that are missing in our lives. Sometimes it's impossible to recognize how many 'holes' we're attempting to fill...inappropriately with food. Let alone figuring out the healthiest eating style for our particular genes and needs!

With roofers making a racket repairing the roof (too much noise stresses me out), I am battling the temptation to dive into my mom's seeded rye bread...toasted...with cream cheese and a few slices of bacon & fresh ground pepper
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