OT - Time to kill the insurance bailout!

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OT - Time to kill the insurance bailout!

Post by DreamStalker » Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:02 am

They are moving quickly towards eliminating the public option and have incorporated loopholes for insurance companies to limit coverage ... it has turned into a huge health insurance bailout.

Contact your congrssional reps and senators and demand a reboot of the "healthcare" legislation.
Health care loophole would allow coverage limits
… By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press Writer Ricardo Alonso-zaldivar, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 27 mins ago
WASHINGTON – A loophole in the Senate health care bill would let insurers place annual dollar limits on medical care for people struggling with costly illnesses such as cancer, prompting a rebuke from patient advocates.

The legislation that originally passed the Senate health committee last summer would have banned such limits, but a tweak to that provision weakened it in the bill now moving toward a Senate vote.

As currently written, the Senate Democratic health care bill would permit insurance companies to place annual limits on the dollar value of medical care, as long as those limits are not "unreasonable." The bill does not define what level of limits would be allowable, delegating that task to administration officials.

Adding to the puzzle, the new language was quietly tucked away in a clause in the bill still captioned "No lifetime or annual limits."

The 2,074-page bill would carry out President Barack Obama's plan to revamp the health care system, expanding coverage to millions now uninsured and trying to slow budget-busting cost increases. A tentative deal among Senate Democrats to back away from creating a new government program to compete with private insurers appears to have overcome a major obstacle to the bill's passage.

Officials of the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network said they were taken by surprise when the earlier ban on annual coverage limits was undercut, adding that they have not been able to get a satisfactory explanation.

"We don't know who put it in, or why it was put in," said Stephen Finan, a policy expert with the cancer society's advocacy affiliate.

Democratic officials of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee would not comment publicly but said the bill contains numerous provisions that will benefit patients with cancer and other life-threatening illnesses, not to mention improvements in preventive care.

Advocates for patients say they're concerned the language will stay in the bill all the way to Obama's desk.

"The primary purpose of insurance is to protect people against catastrophic loss," Finan said. "If you put a limit on benefits, by definition it's going to affect people who are dealing with catastrophic loss." The cost of cancer treatment can exceed $100,000 a year.

Under the health care bills in Congress, the major expansion of health insurance coverage won't take place until three to four years after enactment. Democrats have touted a series of consumer protections as immediate benefits Americans will secure through the legislation. Both the Senate and House bills, for example, ban lifetime limits on the dollar value of coverage.

But Finan said the change in the Senate bill essentially invalidates the legislation's ban on lifetime limits.

"If you can have annual limits, saying there's no lifetime limits becomes meaningless," he said. A patient battling aggressive disease in its later stages could conceivably exhaust insurance benefits in the course of a year.

It's unclear how widespread such coverage limits are in the current insurance marketplace. Large employers have moved away from coverage limits, but insurers have wide discretion in designing plans for small businesses and individual customers.

In the House bill, neither annual nor lifetime limits would be allowable under an essential benefits package intended to provide comprehensive coverage.
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Re: Time to kill the insurance bailout!

Post by Muse-Inc » Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:29 pm

Muse's cynical take on this fiasco: big biz owns members of congress (via re-election funds) thus always gets what it wants. I originally had hopes that at least some progress towards reform would be made, false hopes...this is gonna end up just like the prescription plan, huge boondoggle for insurance companies .
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Re: Time to kill the insurance bailout!

Post by Autopapdude » Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:42 pm

Agreed. This whole thing is a mess. Without a public option, there is nothing to force competition.

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Re: Time to kill the insurance bailout!

Post by timbalionguy » Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:25 pm

The best possible healthcare reform that could happen is for Washington DC to be sucked down by a giant sinkhole, and then have the earth slam shut over the top of it.

I don't think there is a single person in Congress who wants genuine health care reform.
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Re: Time to kill the insurance bailout!

Post by BleepingBeauty » Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:45 pm

timbalionguy wrote:The best possible healthcare reform that could happen is for Washington DC to be sucked down by a giant sinkhole, and then have the earth slam shut over the top of it.

I don't think there is a single person in Congress who wants genuine health care reform.
I disagree with that. The ones who DO want true reform (and aren't indebted to the healthcare industry) are just terribly outnumbered.
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Re: Time to kill the insurance bailout!

Post by Gerald » Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:38 pm

Timba has it right.

And here's the test: Does the "reform" give us "choice"....is it "voluntary"?

Or is the "reform" wrapped around the use of force?

Anything hooked to the use of force...to be used on us....to prevent choice.....always, always turns to crap.

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Re: Time to kill the insurance bailout!

Post by KSMike » Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:53 pm

With a public option, there will be no competition, after all the employers decide to drop coverage because they can dump the whole problem on the government.
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Re: Time to kill the insurance bailout!

Post by Autopapdude » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:32 pm

With a public option, there will be no competition, after all the employers decide to drop coverage because they can dump the whole problem on the government.
That is total B.S.

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Re: Time to kill the insurance bailout!

Post by roster » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:48 pm




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Re: Time to kill the insurance bailout!

Post by roster » Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:18 pm

DreamStalker wrote:They are moving quickly towards eliminating the public option and have incorporated loopholes for insurance companies to limit coverage ... it has turned into a huge health insurance bailout.

Contact your congrssional reps and senators and demand a reboot of the "healthcare" legislation.

Tried to tell you.
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These bills are a dirty deal between the politicians and the insurance and pharmaceutical industries. The bill is a bloated 2000-page, incomprehensible, monstrosity, bailout of insurance companies, with a puny public option!

Now some specifics.

• The Senate bill will not take effect until 2014, the House until 2013.
• The Senate bill will leave at least 24 million uninsured, the House 17 million.
• “Medical bankruptcies” will continue.
High premiums, high out-of-pocket costs and uncovered services will continue.
• Healthcare will be criminalized. If you have no insurance you are a criminal and will be fined as much as 2.5% of your income.
• The number of uninsured will increase, the cost of premiums will increase and the cost of public insurance will be higher than private (From personal experience, I know this is already the case in NC.)
• There will not be equality in healthcare. The less premiums you can afford, the less healthcare you will get.
• There is no control of costs in the bill and spending will increase.
An additional layer of administration must be dealt with and paid for. New regulations on insurance companies will be very difficult to monitor and enforce.
• To help people purchase defective insurance policies, $600 billion of public money will be transferred to those “evil, greedy” private insurance companies – “the bailout”.
Like innocent lambs to the slaughter, the government will deliver 25 to 60 million new customers to those “evil, greedy” private insurance companies.
• The pharmaceutical companies’ profits are protected in this nasty deal. They have already raised prices 9% this year in a deflationary and very weak economy. The new bill will grant them 12-year patents on new products.
• Premiums will continue to be discriminatory. Older insured will be charged premiums two times what the young pays.
Puny public option: 1% of public will use it on Senate plan, 2% on House plan.

This is a system designed for failure.
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It is time to get yourself educated on the current debate – what you have said in the forum in favor of the bill, compared to what you say you want, proves you do not know what the bill will do to you!
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Re: Time to kill the insurance bailout!

Post by LSAT » Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:20 pm

AMEN ROOSTER!

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Re: Time to kill the insurance bailout!

Post by timbalionguy » Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:54 pm

Thanks, Rooster. That was a great thread you had with that post.

The government couldn't get health care right even if was a simple as 'Insert tab 'A" into slot 'B' '.

Fear Government-run health care!!
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Re: Time to kill the insurance bailout!

Post by princyjoshu » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:56 am

thanks for sharing

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Re: Time to kill the insurance bailout!

Post by Autopapdude » Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:58 am

ear Government-run health care!!
Fear private Insurance Company run heath care far more.

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Re: Time to kill the insurance bailout!

Post by Gerald » Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:59 am

And above all......fear "lack of choice".....