Can diabetes cause insomnia?

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Re: Can diabetes cause insomnia?

Post by wearysoul » Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:48 pm

rooster wrote:
wearysoul wrote: .......
I am putting most of my energy right now into maximizing my ASV therapy. Once I get some data, I will start another thread to ask the ASV-knowledgeable for opinions on my ASV settings.

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Excellent.

One more comment on insomnia. A narrow definition of insomnia is inability to fall asleep within a reasonable amount of time upon first going to bed. You seem to be experiencing what is call premature awakenings.

When a person has apneas, it is common for their body to produce excess cortisol and adrenalin. This can cause premature awakenings and inability to go back to sleep.

So maybe you sleep a few hours, have apneas, produce excess adrenalin, are awakened by the adrenalin, and cannot go back to sleep because of the adrenalin. This is not uncommon among apnea patients.
Premature awakenings, or early morning awakenings, would be a correct description of my insomnia. I usually have no trouble going to sleep at bedtime. I've wondered about adrenalin production as a factor in my awakenings. When I wake, I sometimes wake with a start. It's like "bing!"--and I'm completely awake. Then I have trouble getting back to sleep. It does sound like it could be a sudden release of adrenalin. At that point, I sometimes feel achy all over. Whatever the cause, I have found that taking some ibuprofen will usually help me get back to sleep. (Maybe the placebo effect . . . ? . . . not sure.)

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Re: Can diabetes cause insomnia?

Post by wearysoul » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:01 pm

PurpleSwan3033 wrote:I seem to be having problems similar to yours. I am diabetic, too. I started off my cpap therapy on September 2, 2009 with very good results. I had no energy during the day time and I was getting up 4-5 times a night for trips to the bathroom prior to beginning cpap therapy. I immediately regained enough energy in the daytime to start exercising when I started using my cpap machine. I was now getting up just once to use the bathroom, about 90 minutes after going to bed but then I slept until morning. After the first month, things started going bad with my cpap therapy and it seems to coincide with the weight loss I have been experiencing. I started getting up for 2, 3, and four bathroom trips after that first month. Last week, I started waking up almost every 90 minutes. Three days ago, I was waking almost every hour to go to the bathroom and last night I woke up after one hour, took a trip to the bathrooom, slept for another hour and woke up for good because I could not get back to sleep. It's very timely that I have ended up here reading your posting about similar results associated with weight loss. I am calling for an appointment with my doctor. I hope she can clear this up and get me back on the right track. This whole cpap therapy experience has been so very, very frustrating for me. I am having troubles with finding the right mask, having troubles with my DME and understand their lack of involvement in helping me adjust to my equipment, and having trouble pinning down who's responsibility it is to read the dadgum data card in the machine. No one has read it, yet. I have been assuming it tells the story of what is going on with me and my sleep but I don't know who is suppose to read it.
I think you may be confusing me (wearysoul) with slapmeawake (read that person's reply again). I don't know that I'm diabetic--my wondering about a connection between diabetes and insomnia is what prompted my post. As far is your situation is concerned: I know that nocturia (frequent trips to the bathroom at night) is a symptom of OSA; I also know that frequent thirst and urination are symptoms of diabetes. Beyond that, I can't figure it out. You definitely need some data to work with.

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Re: Can diabetes cause insomnia?

Post by SuperGeeky » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:07 pm

Is this backwards? Does Insomnia cause diabetes?

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Re: Can diabetes cause insomnia?

Post by YawnGirl » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:52 pm

wearysoul wrote:Although I've had insomnia for years (routinely waking between 2 and 4 am with difficulty getting back to sleep), it seems to be getting worse.

After using a CPAP for four months, last week I got a BiPAP auto SV. I thought this was going to be my ticket to less insomnia and more sleep. So far, it hasn't improved the quality of my sleep or the way I feel. I still frequently get up feeling like I've been run over by a bus. Run over by a bus translates as some combination of headache, all-over body aches/malaise, hypoglycemia, not wanting to think, talk, move, or do anything because I feel so awful.

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Wearysoul, you sound miserable. I'm sorry the cpap is not improving your quality of life. If your doctor rules out diabetes, please remember early waking can be a symptom of depression, or PDST for example. Please don't give up on finding out what is causing your early waking. Mine has never been "cured" but it is greatly improved.
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Re: Can diabetes cause insomnia?

Post by roster » Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:11 am

SuperGeeky wrote:Is this backwards? Does Insomnia cause diabetes?

SG
There is some research that indicates insomnia may tend individuals toward diabetes. But it can also be that blood-sugar abnormalities during sleep can contribute to insomnia. Of course, whatever the case, stabilizing your blood-sugar levels is prudent.
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Re: Can diabetes cause insomnia?

Post by SuperGeeky » Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:02 am

thanks Rooster! I think what is particularly fascinating and frustrating with most all of what we (OSA sufferers) commonly cope with are 'Catch 22' type medical issues.

It has become first nature to switch 'Cause and Effect' and examine what I'm suffering in a different light.

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