What Does a DME Do - My Perspective
What Does a DME Do - My Perspective
So with all of the talk of what DME providers do and don't do...do they have a place or not and all the related talk (flame, accusations and occasional compliment!) I thought I might jot down a view from the other side of the issue.
A couple of things right off the bat:
1) In case it's not been already very clear I have spent close to 15 years in the DME business working with a wide variety of providers. I've held pretty much every position from
cleaning used equipment to being in charge to working with manufacturers and distributors. I've worked in businesses with 2 employees and others with thousands.
2) There is NO excuse for crappy customer service. Ever.
3) I am going to do my best to keep this limited only to personal descriptions of what a DME company is and/or does. I'm deliberately trying to keep politics out of this if you
know what I'm trying to get at. My intent is to be positive.
4) I already know this is too long for some of the most anti-DME people to read. Which is a shame. But yeah, I know that already and I've not even gotten started.
5) Oh, and I'm adding a #5 as I go along. When I am referring to DME in all of this, I'm talking about a brick and mortar traditional DME company.
Okay... so... what does a DME actually do?
Well the first answer as it applies directly to most people reading this is... nothing.
Yep, I came right out and said it.
The thing is, xPaP equipment is really only the tiniest fraction of what a DME provider does.
There is another factor that I touched before in another thread and it's a concept I picked up from a long time poster here and it amazed me how true it was:
There are 2 primary types of medical patients in the world.
The first type has little to no ability or desire to take charge of their own treatment. A lot of you really have no idea. I'd say 90% if not more of the patients I've dealt with had absolutely ZERO and I mean ZERO interest in their own treatment. I've actually been told verbatim "Would you stop trying to tell me how to clean it? I don't care. Just turn it on and leave."
The second type of patient wants full or nearly full control. Most of the regular users of this message board are generally this type of patient.
A DME company is designed to best serve the first type of patient. So the primary target audience of this message board is using a tiny fraction of a system that's not really designed with them in mind to begin with!
NOW that being said what does a DME company do?
A DME company provides: Oxygen, xPAP equipment, infant apnea monitors, nebulizers, ventilators,diabetic supplies, tracheostomy supplies, skin care supplies, ostomy equipment, suction equipment, hospital beds, custom orthotics, custom back braces, pediatric specialty seating, wheelchairs, walkers, light therapy, cold therapy, hot therapy, specialty sleep surfaces, crutches, enteral nutrition, IV medications, daily living aids (shower seating, commodes, etc), the list goes on and on.
These items are provided 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and 365 days a year.
I think the best way for me to really explain this is to just relate a few things from my personal experience where I really got to do what I love doing: help patients.
We once got a call from a hospital about a patient being discharged after a motorcycle accident. His injuries weren't awful all things considered but the problem was his right arm,left leg and clavicle were all fractured. That meant he couldn't use crutches or a wheelchair. He also lived alone and had no family. The hospital could arrange for nursing care but the patient had no idea how he was going to get his home setup. So we spoke to him and got information on a neighbor he knew. Then we got both he and his neighbor to agree to let us go to the hospital, pick up his housekeys and go to the house. The neighbor let us in while myself and 2 other employees basically rearranged most of his house to accomodate a specialty bed and moved his computer, TV and music into the room and setup remote control systems so that he could access everything from his bed. We had to take apart a door and dismantle an entertainment center but we got it all done and put back together. Then we built a ramp so that when he moved to a wheelchair he'd still be able to get in and out. Reimbursement for that: 0.
I can't count the number of times I left at 1, 2, 3 or 4 in the morning to go drive to a terminally ill patients house because they were dying and needed something like a suction machine or a trach system or high-level oxygen to make their last few hours more comfortable. I can tell you it flat out sucks to drive 3 hours round trip to deliver a piece of equipment at 3am that you then drive back out at 10am to pick up. It doesn't suck because of the work, it sucks because I walk in and everyone knows I'm there because someone is about to die. And there's not a damn thing I can do but still have to be as pleasant as possible as I explain to someone how to care for their husband or wife as they die. Easily done that hundreds of times in my life. Reimbursement: usually 20 bucks or so total. Those are also memories that REALLY stay with you. Trust me on that one.
We sit for a few extra minutes with the lady who called with a "problem" and really was just lonely and wanted someone to talk to.
We ease the the parents who are freaking out on their first day home with thier newborn infant on heart monitor and help them realize it's ok and yes they really can do this.
We drive to the patients house on Christmas morning to deliver a nebulizer kit because her cat just ripped apart the last one she had and she forgot to call us when she was running low.
We arrange for specialty respiratory equipment all across the country for a young boy so his family can drive to the other coast so he can meet his grandparents for the first and most likely last time. 14 different providers from coast to coast.
Hurricanes, tornadoes and blizzards. Not a single patient ever went without an item. Even when we had to work 24 hours straight to deliver oxygen to patients who didn't evacuate.
We do our damndest to help ease the patient who is completely ashamed for having soiled the bed while we were out there. How do you give the guy who built a multi-million dollar business back his dignity when he feels he's completely lost it?
There are all kinds of little things that a DME company can do.
A statement I've made before here: I truely and honestly hope that most of you are never in a position to really find out how and why a DME provider can shine because it means you are going through an awful and usually life-changing event.
The really funny thing too is that out of all the DME companies I've worked with every single last one of them does these sorts of things day in and day out. They aren't reimbursed for them, it's just a part of doing business.
I hope that maybe provides you just a little bit of insight into myself and this business. And forgive me if sometimes I get a little proud of the field I love and maybe even a little defensive if someone catagorizes me as a crook. I take a lot of pride in knowing I've touched a lot of lives over the years and sometimes I let my pride and my love for the field get the better of me.
Very sincerely and with true respect,
mattman
A couple of things right off the bat:
1) In case it's not been already very clear I have spent close to 15 years in the DME business working with a wide variety of providers. I've held pretty much every position from
cleaning used equipment to being in charge to working with manufacturers and distributors. I've worked in businesses with 2 employees and others with thousands.
2) There is NO excuse for crappy customer service. Ever.
3) I am going to do my best to keep this limited only to personal descriptions of what a DME company is and/or does. I'm deliberately trying to keep politics out of this if you
know what I'm trying to get at. My intent is to be positive.
4) I already know this is too long for some of the most anti-DME people to read. Which is a shame. But yeah, I know that already and I've not even gotten started.
5) Oh, and I'm adding a #5 as I go along. When I am referring to DME in all of this, I'm talking about a brick and mortar traditional DME company.
Okay... so... what does a DME actually do?
Well the first answer as it applies directly to most people reading this is... nothing.
Yep, I came right out and said it.
The thing is, xPaP equipment is really only the tiniest fraction of what a DME provider does.
There is another factor that I touched before in another thread and it's a concept I picked up from a long time poster here and it amazed me how true it was:
There are 2 primary types of medical patients in the world.
The first type has little to no ability or desire to take charge of their own treatment. A lot of you really have no idea. I'd say 90% if not more of the patients I've dealt with had absolutely ZERO and I mean ZERO interest in their own treatment. I've actually been told verbatim "Would you stop trying to tell me how to clean it? I don't care. Just turn it on and leave."
The second type of patient wants full or nearly full control. Most of the regular users of this message board are generally this type of patient.
A DME company is designed to best serve the first type of patient. So the primary target audience of this message board is using a tiny fraction of a system that's not really designed with them in mind to begin with!
NOW that being said what does a DME company do?
A DME company provides: Oxygen, xPAP equipment, infant apnea monitors, nebulizers, ventilators,diabetic supplies, tracheostomy supplies, skin care supplies, ostomy equipment, suction equipment, hospital beds, custom orthotics, custom back braces, pediatric specialty seating, wheelchairs, walkers, light therapy, cold therapy, hot therapy, specialty sleep surfaces, crutches, enteral nutrition, IV medications, daily living aids (shower seating, commodes, etc), the list goes on and on.
These items are provided 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and 365 days a year.
I think the best way for me to really explain this is to just relate a few things from my personal experience where I really got to do what I love doing: help patients.
We once got a call from a hospital about a patient being discharged after a motorcycle accident. His injuries weren't awful all things considered but the problem was his right arm,left leg and clavicle were all fractured. That meant he couldn't use crutches or a wheelchair. He also lived alone and had no family. The hospital could arrange for nursing care but the patient had no idea how he was going to get his home setup. So we spoke to him and got information on a neighbor he knew. Then we got both he and his neighbor to agree to let us go to the hospital, pick up his housekeys and go to the house. The neighbor let us in while myself and 2 other employees basically rearranged most of his house to accomodate a specialty bed and moved his computer, TV and music into the room and setup remote control systems so that he could access everything from his bed. We had to take apart a door and dismantle an entertainment center but we got it all done and put back together. Then we built a ramp so that when he moved to a wheelchair he'd still be able to get in and out. Reimbursement for that: 0.
I can't count the number of times I left at 1, 2, 3 or 4 in the morning to go drive to a terminally ill patients house because they were dying and needed something like a suction machine or a trach system or high-level oxygen to make their last few hours more comfortable. I can tell you it flat out sucks to drive 3 hours round trip to deliver a piece of equipment at 3am that you then drive back out at 10am to pick up. It doesn't suck because of the work, it sucks because I walk in and everyone knows I'm there because someone is about to die. And there's not a damn thing I can do but still have to be as pleasant as possible as I explain to someone how to care for their husband or wife as they die. Easily done that hundreds of times in my life. Reimbursement: usually 20 bucks or so total. Those are also memories that REALLY stay with you. Trust me on that one.
We sit for a few extra minutes with the lady who called with a "problem" and really was just lonely and wanted someone to talk to.
We ease the the parents who are freaking out on their first day home with thier newborn infant on heart monitor and help them realize it's ok and yes they really can do this.
We drive to the patients house on Christmas morning to deliver a nebulizer kit because her cat just ripped apart the last one she had and she forgot to call us when she was running low.
We arrange for specialty respiratory equipment all across the country for a young boy so his family can drive to the other coast so he can meet his grandparents for the first and most likely last time. 14 different providers from coast to coast.
Hurricanes, tornadoes and blizzards. Not a single patient ever went without an item. Even when we had to work 24 hours straight to deliver oxygen to patients who didn't evacuate.
We do our damndest to help ease the patient who is completely ashamed for having soiled the bed while we were out there. How do you give the guy who built a multi-million dollar business back his dignity when he feels he's completely lost it?
There are all kinds of little things that a DME company can do.
A statement I've made before here: I truely and honestly hope that most of you are never in a position to really find out how and why a DME provider can shine because it means you are going through an awful and usually life-changing event.
The really funny thing too is that out of all the DME companies I've worked with every single last one of them does these sorts of things day in and day out. They aren't reimbursed for them, it's just a part of doing business.
I hope that maybe provides you just a little bit of insight into myself and this business. And forgive me if sometimes I get a little proud of the field I love and maybe even a little defensive if someone catagorizes me as a crook. I take a lot of pride in knowing I've touched a lot of lives over the years and sometimes I let my pride and my love for the field get the better of me.
Very sincerely and with true respect,
mattman
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Re: What Does a DME Do - My Perspective
A moving post matttman! I respect all who deal with these types of situations, I haven't the patience, stamina, or inclination. The guy who helped my mom get a wheelchair for me because I couldn't use the crutches to move around the house when I broke both leg bones at the ankle was really appreciated even if he never knew how many times I thanked him mentally for sending her home with a mesh chair during summer's heat. That chair enabled me to be in the world during the 4 months I had the chair, I was able to drive myself to all my PT visits and eventually to work. There are a lot on unsung heros out there and those who help others during these most distressing situations are often among the unsung.
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Re: What Does a DME Do - My Perspective
mattman wrote:So with all of the talk of what DME providers do and don't do...do they have a place or not and all the related talk (flame, accusations and occasional compliment!) I thought I might jot down a view from the other side of the issue.
2) There is NO substitute for crappy customer service. Ever.
Very sincerely and with true respect,
mattman
Thanks Matt for your explanation of some of the services you have observed/provided as a DME representative. My brain is hung up on #2 "There's NO substitute for crappy customer service, Ever." I have read, re-read, and read again.....granted I have a head full of mucus (suction machine might be nice, can you deliver?) I think of a grocery store in a town I once lived, had a tombstome like rock at the door inscripted, 1. Customer is always #1 2. Customer is always #1 3. Customer is always #1. When I read "There is no substitute for crappy service, ever.....I think the goal is crappy customer service.........shouldn't it be there is no substitute for excellent customer service.....again, I could be missing the point due to brain fatigue....not trying to be offensive, just trying to stop the brain swirls!
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lol! You're right! I meant to say 'No excuse'. I flip flopped between saying no excuse for bad service and no substitute for good service and finally decided on one and obviously got them combined! Thanks for noticing that! I'm going to edit it now.elg5cats wrote:mattman wrote:So with all of the talk of what DME providers do and don't do...do they have a place or not and all the related talk (flame, accusations and occasional compliment!) I thought I might jot down a view from the other side of the issue.
2) There is NO substitute for crappy customer service. Ever.
Very sincerely and with true respect,
mattman
Thanks Matt for your explanation of some of the services you have observed/provided as a DME representative. My brain is hung up on #2 "There's NO substitute for crappy customer service, Ever." I have read, re-read, and read again.....granted I have a head full of mucus (suction machine might be nice, can you deliver?) I think of a grocery store in a town I once lived, had a tombstome like rock at the door inscripted, 1. Customer is always #1 2. Customer is always #1 3. Customer is always #1. When I read "There is no substitute for crappy service, ever.....I think the goal is crappy customer service.........shouldn't it be there is no substitute for excellent customer service.....again, I could be missing the point due to brain fatigue....not trying to be offensive, just trying to stop the brain swirls!
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Re: What Does a DME Do - My Perspective
Tell me how I can contact any of these B&M DME's, please. Really!!mattman wrote:So with all of the talk of what DME providers do and don't do...do they have a place or not and all the related talk (flame, accusations and occasional compliment!) I thought I might jot down a view from the other side of the issue.
A couple of things right off the bat:
1) In case it's not been already very clear I have spent close to 15 years in the DME business working with a wide variety of providers. I've held pretty much every position from
cleaning used equipment to being in charge to working with manufacturers and distributors. I've worked in businesses with 2 employees and others with thousands.
2) There is NO substitute for crappy customer service. Ever.
3) I am going to do my best to keep this limited only to personal descriptions of what a DME company is and/or does. I'm deliberately trying to keep politics out of this if you
know what I'm trying to get at. My intent is to be positive.
4) I already know this is too long for some of the most anti-DME people to read. Which is a shame. But yeah, I know that already and I've not even gotten started.
5) Oh, and I'm adding a #5 as I go along. When I am referring to DME in all of this, I'm talking about a brick and mortar traditional DME company.
Okay... so... what does a DME actually do?
Well the first answer as it applies directly to most people reading this is... nothing.
Yep, I came right out and said it.
The thing is, xPaP equipment is really only the tiniest fraction of what a DME provider does.
There is another factor that I touched before in another thread and it's a concept I picked up from a long time poster here and it amazed me how true it was:
There are 2 primary types of medical patients in the world.
The first type has little to no ability or desire to take charge of their own treatment. A lot of you really have no idea. I'd say 90% if not more of the patients I've dealt with had absolutely ZERO and I mean ZERO interest in their own treatment. I've actually been told verbatim "Would you stop trying to tell me how to clean it? I don't care. Just turn it on and leave."
The second type of patient wants full or nearly full control. Most of the regular users of this message board are generally this type of patient.
A DME company is designed to best serve the first type of patient. So the primary target audience of this message board is using a tiny fraction of a system that's not really designed with them in mind to begin with!
NOW that being said what does a DME company do?
A DME company provides: Oxygen, xPAP equipment, infant apnea monitors, nebulizers, ventilators,diabetic supplies, tracheostomy supplies, skin care supplies, ostomy equipment, suction equipment, hospital beds, custom orthotics, custom back braces, pediatric specialty seating, wheelchairs, walkers, light therapy, cold therapy, hot therapy, specialty sleep surfaces, crutches, enteral nutrition, IV medications, daily living aids (shower seating, commodes, etc), the list goes on and on.
These items are provided 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and 365 days a year.
I think the best way for me to really explain this is to just relate a few things from my personal experience where I really got to do what I love doing: help patients.
We once got a call from a hospital about a patient being discharged after a motorcycle accident. His injuries weren't awful all things considered but the problem was his right arm,left leg and clavicle were all fractured. That meant he couldn't use crutches or a wheelchair. He also lived alone and had no family. The hospital could arrange for nursing care but the patient had no idea how he was going to get his home setup. So we spoke to him and got information on a neighbor he knew. Then we got both he and his neighbor to agree to let us go to the hospital, pick up his housekeys and go to the house. The neighbor let us in while myself and 2 other employees basically rearranged most of his house to accomodate a specialty bed and moved his computer, TV and music into the room and setup remote control systems so that he could access everything from his bed. We had to take apart a door and dismantle an entertainment center but we got it all done and put back together. Then we built a ramp so that when he moved to a wheelchair he'd still be able to get in and out. Reimbursement for that: 0.
I can't count the number of times I left at 1, 2, 3 or 4 in the morning to go drive to a terminally ill patients house because they were dying and needed something like a suction machine or a trach system or high-level oxygen to make their last few hours more comfortable. I can tell you it flat out sucks to drive 3 hours round trip to deliver a piece of equipment at 3am that you then drive back out at 10am to pick up. It doesn't suck because of the work, it sucks because I walk in and everyone knows I'm there because someone is about to die. And there's not a damn thing I can do but still have to be as pleasant as possible as I explain to someone how to care for their husband or wife as they die. Easily done that hundreds of times in my life. Reimbursement: usually 20 bucks or so total. Those are also memories that REALLY stay with you. Trust me on that one.
We sit for a few extra minutes with the lady who called with a "problem" and really was just lonely and wanted someone to talk to.
We ease the the parents who are freaking out on their first day home with thier newborn infant on heart monitor and help them realize it's ok and yes they really can do this.
We drive to the patients house on Christmas morning to deliver a nebulizer kit because her cat just ripped apart the last one she had and she forgot to call us when she was running low.
We arrange for specialty respiratory equipment all across the country for a young boy so his family can drive to the other coast so he can meet his grandparents for the first and most likely last time. 14 different providers from coast to coast.
Hurricanes, tornadoes and blizzards. Not a single patient ever went without an item. Even when we had to work 24 hours straight to deliver oxygen to patients who didn't evacuate.
We do our damndest to help ease the patient who is completely ashamed for having soiled the bed while we were out there. How do you give the guy who built a multi-million dollar business back his dignity when he feels he's completely lost it?
There are all kinds of little things that a DME company can do.
A statement I've made before here: I truely and honestly hope that most of you are never in a position to really find out how and why a DME provider can shine because it means you are going through an awful and usually life-changing event.
The really funny thing too is that out of all the DME companies I've worked with every single last one of them does these sorts of things day in and day out. They aren't reimbursed for them, it's just a part of doing business.
I hope that maybe provides you just a little bit of insight into myself and this business. And forgive me if sometimes I get a little proud of the field I love and maybe even a little defensive if someone catagorizes me as a crook. I take a lot of pride in knowing I've touched a lot of lives over the years and sometimes I let my pride and my love for the field get the better of me.
Very sincerely and with true respect,
mattman
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Re: What Does a DME Do - My Perspective
Mattman,
You sound like one of the few truly caring DME providers, willing to go the extra mile to help your patients. The fact that you're here posting real posts (and signing your name, not committing guest-and-run) is additional evidence of that.
I think most of us have had run-ins with the other breed of DMEs, the ones who just want to hand the patient the cheapest, easiest stuff they can get away with and send them on their way. Insurance reimbursement rates don't help that at all; a DME following certain insurance rules can come off looking quite uncaring. (For example, I gave my DME another try recently since they're on my new employer's insurance plan - alas, they told me my insurance allows only a Ultra Mirage FF or a F&P 431. Having tangled with my insurance company directly in other matters I 100% believe they are telling me the truth. Back when I had a decent health plan these guys were okay, not great but not bad either).
Personally I think one reason patients seek out a support community such as this is they don't get the support they need from the formal providers. So not only are people here self-selecting in terms of wanting to take a more active role in their care, I think they're also self-selecting for getting frustrated with their local providers. (To a large extent; not completely by any means). My late father-in-law had both a good DME provider and considerable personal medical knowledge; he never had reason to seek out any other support community. (yes I know "anecdote" is not the singular form of "data").
So, thank you for taking your field personally and putting in the effort to see that people get truly helped, and I sure wish there were more of you to go around!
You sound like one of the few truly caring DME providers, willing to go the extra mile to help your patients. The fact that you're here posting real posts (and signing your name, not committing guest-and-run) is additional evidence of that.
I think most of us have had run-ins with the other breed of DMEs, the ones who just want to hand the patient the cheapest, easiest stuff they can get away with and send them on their way. Insurance reimbursement rates don't help that at all; a DME following certain insurance rules can come off looking quite uncaring. (For example, I gave my DME another try recently since they're on my new employer's insurance plan - alas, they told me my insurance allows only a Ultra Mirage FF or a F&P 431. Having tangled with my insurance company directly in other matters I 100% believe they are telling me the truth. Back when I had a decent health plan these guys were okay, not great but not bad either).
Personally I think one reason patients seek out a support community such as this is they don't get the support they need from the formal providers. So not only are people here self-selecting in terms of wanting to take a more active role in their care, I think they're also self-selecting for getting frustrated with their local providers. (To a large extent; not completely by any means). My late father-in-law had both a good DME provider and considerable personal medical knowledge; he never had reason to seek out any other support community. (yes I know "anecdote" is not the singular form of "data").
So, thank you for taking your field personally and putting in the effort to see that people get truly helped, and I sure wish there were more of you to go around!
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mattman,
Out of all of your posts... I've seen you take a lot of crap from here. But you've been honest, and I appreciate your honesty.
I know that there are some good B&M DME's out there... I'm in contact with one. I don't buy a lot from them... can't afford their prices usually... but when I need them, they're there. We've got kind of a mutual relationship thing going. They know that I change my pressures and monitor them. I know that the doc would rather get the info from them then me... don't know why because it's the same info. So when I need them, I call them.
Out of all of your posts... I've seen you take a lot of crap from here. But you've been honest, and I appreciate your honesty.
I know that there are some good B&M DME's out there... I'm in contact with one. I don't buy a lot from them... can't afford their prices usually... but when I need them, they're there. We've got kind of a mutual relationship thing going. They know that I change my pressures and monitor them. I know that the doc would rather get the info from them then me... don't know why because it's the same info. So when I need them, I call them.
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Thanks, mattman. You good'un, you.
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Re: What Does a DME Do - My Perspective
Mattman,
When I came to this forum a month ago, I realized quickly that the reason most people go to support forums is because they're having difficulties (myself included). Your 90/10 observation is probably correct, and maybe even conservative. The cool thing about this bunch is how positive they are, considering that our shared area is problems with CPAP. The other 90% don't tend to visit places like this!
On the other hand, I suspect you're a typical -- no, I did not say "atypical" -- a typical DME. My impression is that you are in the majority. It's just that it's sometimes easier to presume other people to be bad, rather than to presume that one of us misunderstood something.
Thanks for reminding us. And thanks for sticking around.
When I came to this forum a month ago, I realized quickly that the reason most people go to support forums is because they're having difficulties (myself included). Your 90/10 observation is probably correct, and maybe even conservative. The cool thing about this bunch is how positive they are, considering that our shared area is problems with CPAP. The other 90% don't tend to visit places like this!
On the other hand, I suspect you're a typical -- no, I did not say "atypical" -- a typical DME. My impression is that you are in the majority. It's just that it's sometimes easier to presume other people to be bad, rather than to presume that one of us misunderstood something.
Thanks for reminding us. And thanks for sticking around.
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Re: What Does a DME Do - My Perspective
Mattman,
That was an excellent post. Thank you.
"There is no excuse for bad customer service. Ever." Yes, thank you again -- because I believe that that is what sets the majority of us in a tizzy.
Just as a FYI -- my Mom died today. The DME associated with the hospice company was out and had all the end-of-life equipment picked up within four hours of the hospice calling them. This was a blessing to my Dad, who was just sitting there, looking at the empty bed, and wanting to cry.
That was an excellent post. Thank you.
"There is no excuse for bad customer service. Ever." Yes, thank you again -- because I believe that that is what sets the majority of us in a tizzy.
Just as a FYI -- my Mom died today. The DME associated with the hospice company was out and had all the end-of-life equipment picked up within four hours of the hospice calling them. This was a blessing to my Dad, who was just sitting there, looking at the empty bed, and wanting to cry.
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Beastie, 2008-10-28. NEW Beastie, PRS1 960, 2014-05-14. NEWER Beastie, Dream Station ASV, 2017-10-17. PadaCheek Hosecover. Homemade Brandy Keg Chin Support. TapPap Mask.
Min PS = 4, Max PS = 8
Epap Range = 6 - 7.5
Re: What Does a DME Do - My Perspective
i just wanted to add that I have worked for a "full line" DME as described and it is easy to be a jack of all trades and master of none. But not all DME companies are "full line". The company I currently work for specializes in respiratory equipment. We provide oxygen, nebulizer and sleep therapy equipment and supplies only. The hope is that by specializing we will be the best at what we do. As we are the only "mom and pop" in a city with the big three nationals (Lincare, Apria and Rotech) it must be working as we are the dominant company according to the case managers at the local hospital.
So, it pays to shop around. I know that people here have been forced to use a company due to a preferred provider arrangement with your insurance but even in these instances there are more options than you think. You can get this provider to do it your way by going to your insurance company first and having everything authorized prior to delivery. If the DME is uncooperative let your insurance know as it may influence the next contract renewal.
So, it pays to shop around. I know that people here have been forced to use a company due to a preferred provider arrangement with your insurance but even in these instances there are more options than you think. You can get this provider to do it your way by going to your insurance company first and having everything authorized prior to delivery. If the DME is uncooperative let your insurance know as it may influence the next contract renewal.
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Re: What Does a DME Do - My Perspective
Why even waste time replying to Mr Montana DME, who is a "consultant," and not even a medical professional? He thinks we're all sitting in one big room, having "illegal dosing parties" just to spite him. What we are doing here is providing assistance to our friends and the wisdom of collective advice--nothing more, nothing less. Can he claim the same level of caring and empathy?
Re: What Does a DME Do - My Perspective
Well, MattMan and Leejgbt, I just want you two to know that I appreciate your responses and patience w/those of us in this forum.
And while a bit off this particular subject: the DME providers' RRTs actually CAN change or adjust some settings WITHOUT a doctor's order (thank goodness in some cases). For instance, the better bi-levels, perhaps all, have some "comfort settings", i.e. Rise Time, Ti Maximum and Ti Minimum amongst a few others, that the good RRTs have more and better knowledge of than our sleep doctors. The not-so-good RRTs go w/the Default settings and let you struggle if the Default settings aren't w/in your comfort zone. Most sleep doctors haven't a clue about these "comfort settings". But the GOOD RRTs spend the time w/us to get them adjusted correctly for our comfort and to ensure compliance.
And while a bit off this particular subject: the DME providers' RRTs actually CAN change or adjust some settings WITHOUT a doctor's order (thank goodness in some cases). For instance, the better bi-levels, perhaps all, have some "comfort settings", i.e. Rise Time, Ti Maximum and Ti Minimum amongst a few others, that the good RRTs have more and better knowledge of than our sleep doctors. The not-so-good RRTs go w/the Default settings and let you struggle if the Default settings aren't w/in your comfort zone. Most sleep doctors haven't a clue about these "comfort settings". But the GOOD RRTs spend the time w/us to get them adjusted correctly for our comfort and to ensure compliance.
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Re: What Does a DME Do - My Perspective
I am so incredibly sorry to hear about that.Kiralynx wrote:Just as a FYI -- my Mom died today. The DME associated with the hospice company was out and had all the end-of-life equipment picked up within four hours of the hospice calling them. This was a blessing to my Dad, who was just sitting there, looking at the empty bed, and wanting to cry.
I've worked with a number of Hospice groups over the years and I hope yours was able to provide some measure of support through all this.
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Re: What Does a DME Do - My Perspective
Thank you for the kind words from everyone.
I really do honestly believe that there are far more excellent DME providers out there than there are crappy ones. I know for a fact that there are companies all across the country doing exactly the sorts of things I mentioned above even right now. They do it all day every day without fanfare and usually without being asked.
I also think TWW hit it right on the head, that most users here have come here specifically because they aren't getting what they need from their current provider. Which is a damn shame and I'm genuinely sorry to hear about it!
I really do honestly believe that there are far more excellent DME providers out there than there are crappy ones. I know for a fact that there are companies all across the country doing exactly the sorts of things I mentioned above even right now. They do it all day every day without fanfare and usually without being asked.
I also think TWW hit it right on the head, that most users here have come here specifically because they aren't getting what they need from their current provider. Which is a damn shame and I'm genuinely sorry to hear about it!
Machine: REMstar Pro 2 C-Flex CPAP Machine
Masks: 1) ComfortGel Mask with Headgear
2) ComfortSelect Mask with Headgear
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Humidifier: REMstar Heated Humidifier
Masks: 1) ComfortGel Mask with Headgear
2) ComfortSelect Mask with Headgear
3) Swift
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