For Those Who Like To Nap - Update No 2

rooster wrote:

mars wrote: .....
Hi Rooster

You are describing what most of us experience when napping without an oximeter set to alarm us when reaching the start of desaturation. Did you manage to try a nap with an oximeter set to alarm you when reaching desaturation?

.....Mars

It would be a waste of effort for me. Asleep two minutes without CPAP and I start having apneas. I don't want that even if I haven't desaturated at that point.

I still have the thought to try an oral appliance for naps.

I think you would like an oral. It has it's advantages. Good luck on trying it.

I wouldn't even hazard a nap of any sort without CPAP; even if it were possible for me to nap without events, I would feel naked without my mask. I don't think that I could even sleep without air blowing on my face.

Rooster, I think you would like oral. It might be strange the first time you try it but if you pm JDM I am sure he can help.

Hi All

Six days have passed since I posted details of napping with an oximeter (alarm set) to prevent desaturation. So I am wondering if anyone else has now tried this, and how they got on.

So far there have been over 500 hits, so I am hoping that some who likes napping, and also have an alarm capable oximeter, has given it a go. This is not about going to bed, but napping on an arm chair or couch, with the back reasonably upright. Rocking chairs and recliners are acceptable. Cats on lap or dogs at feet are also acceptable. But you must have your oximeter on, have the alarm set at the level before desaturation starts, and be wearing it.

So if you have given this a go and it worked well, let us know. If you gave it a go, and it did not work well for you, let us know why you think it did not. Just maybe, in some cases, other Forum members will be able to help.

cheers

Mars

Mars,

How about a cost/benefit analysis. The benefit is a nap. The cost is desaturation (and everything that goes with it) down to a predetermined level. How would we determine whether the benefit or the cost is greater?

Regards,

I will continue to nap with my machine when I nap. I have an oximeter but I don't want my oxygen levels to drop low enough when I an even just napping, to cause the alarm to go off.

I'm not happy about what that might do to me. I'm using cpap to prevent oxygen levels from dropping and causing the other health problems that can come with untreated sleep apnea.

Mars,
I don't have an Oximeter yet. It is on my wish list which continues to grow instead of becoming shorter.
That is why I haven't commented here but I have read the posts. Likely why a lot of other people read it.

I figure I've already spent enough years suffocating and having desaturations.

Admittedly,I still nod off on the couch but as soon as I'm awakened I head for the cpap room.

I am working on getting another cpap machine ASAP,so I have access to cpap in my favorite area where I *might*
doze off,other than the bedroom.

My goal is to eliminate these naps altogether.

I try getting to the cpap machine first and foremost if I feel the urge to have a nap and will do that before reaching for the oximeter.

The oximeter supplements my cpap data,I already know I have 02 desats without cpap,thanks to the oximeter!

I wear the oximeter and set the alarm only if I cannot use the blower,i.e.-during severe sinus episodes,where cpap is intolerable.

Still,in a perfect world I dream of my pre-OSA slumbers,sans any sleeping 'devices'.
Maybe.
Someday...
Since getting the S8 cpap,I have logged 334/350 days used with 2114 hours hooked up to the hose.
Albeit,most of those hours are fragmented but I really do try for the machine first and it has been a royal battle.
The only days missed were following sinus surgery.

bworthey wrote: ....... I can't take a nap in the recliner because my snoring/apneas will wake me up, no, I have to get in the bed and put my mask on.

.......

Not on the beach,
Not in the car,
Not in the office,
Not on the train,
Not under the shade tree,
Not on the plane,
Not in church,
Not in the lounge,
Not by the pool,
Not in the grass,
Not under the desk,
Not on the desk,
Not on the beanbag,
Not on the john,
Not on a bench,
Not in Borders,
Not in your lover's arms,
Not in the hotel lobby,
Not on the subway,
Not in class,
Not on a steam grate,
Not on a calf,
Not in the park,
Not on the roof,
Not in the boiler room,
Not under the bridge,
Not at a friend's,
Not at a party,
Not on the beach,
Not on the beach,
Not on the beach.

rooster wrote:Mars,

How about a cost/benefit analysis. The benefit is a nap. The cost is desaturation (and everything that goes with it) down to a predetermined level. How would we determine whether the benefit or the cost is greater?

Regards,

Hi Rooster and Hi All,

I must be missing something here. I cannot see any cost. I can have a good nap and feel refreshed when I wake up. What is the cost? If I do get the alarm it is when SpO2 is dropping to a level where my sleep centre considers that desaturation is about to start, but has not yet started.

Usually I do not get woke up by the alarm as I do not get to the desaturation point, and I am able to enjoy a refreshing nap that helps get me going again. I am not after REM sleep, that is not what naps are about, just a relaxing dozing off that obviously I need at that time, which I could not do on the machine. I can get about an hour of uninterrupted sleep this way.

Why all the talk about desaturation in trying this idea when desaturation does not happen.

The idea is that the alarm goes off before desaturation starts, but somehow I do not seem to be getting this across. So if anyone can explain what it is that I seem to be missing, I would like to hear it.

I repeat, if the alarm is set correctly for you desaturation will not occur. For me, I set it at SpO2 90%. I know it works for me, and I know I am not unique, so it must also work for some others. And it probably will not work for some.

So if no-one has tried it yet I will come back later, but all these negative posts..............................why?

cheers

Mars

mars wrote:.......... but all these negative posts..............................why?


Mars

Mars,

Half of the forum is negative but it doesn't stop people from getting an unusually high benefit from the forum. Just ignore what you don't like and deal with the rest.

I know I feel like crap with desats in the 90 - 93% range. Maybe I am sensitive to them because of all the years my brain was being fried while undiagnosed. Let's keep it around 97% for the few remaining years I have and pray the brain is rerouting things to achieve some healing.

Regards,

rooster wrote:

mars wrote:.......... but all these negative posts..............................why? Mars

Mars,

Half of the forum is negative but it doesn't stop people from getting an unusually high benefit from the forum. Just ignore what you don't like and deal with the rest. End Quote.

Hi Rooster

Yeh, I know. But my brain is still recovering after about 50 years of desaturations, and my emotional and mental equilibrium has still a long way to go. But I am getting better.

Quote -I know I feel like crap with desats in the 90 - 93% range. Maybe I am sensitive to them because of all the years my brain was being fried while undiagnosed. Let's keep it around 97% for the few remaining years I have and pray the brain is rerouting things to achieve some healing. Regards,

Thanks for the above, again, I now know a little more. And I understand why you will not be doing this. If I did not feel refreshed and alive after an oximetered nap, there would be no way that I would be suggesting this. I too am hoping to develop new neural pathways, and I hear that some new research indicates that it is easier to do than first thought.

However, I had better not get off-topic with my own thread.

cheers

Mars

I don't see the point of napping with a monitor to wake you up if you desat. Who sleeps with interruptions - the cpap is supposed to take care of that problem?
You won't get any rem sleep that way so there is no point to the whole exercise.

rooster wrote: ... Not on a steam grate,
Not on a calf...

Do you do much calf-napping in your part of the country?

Not on a calf?
No! Not by half!
I would not sleep so in a box.
I could not sleep so with a fox.
I will not try this type of nap.
To sleep I always need CPAP!

MalFet wrote:

rooster wrote: ... Not on a steam grate,
Not on a calf...

Do you do much calf-napping in your part of the country?

Not on a calf?
No! Not by half!
I would not sleep so in a box.
I could not sleep so with a fox.
I will not try this type of nap.
To sleep I always need CPAP!

MalFet, Good one!

As far as calf napping, I haven't had the opportunity to do that since I used to enjoy it on the farm as a child.

As for now, I don't think the calf would mind the mask or the noise of the exhaust.