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Re: OT: Would you trust your health info to Google?

Post by roster » Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:25 pm

BlackSpinner wrote:.......... I was very lucky when I moved here to actually get a doctor instead of being part of clinic a practice. Like every where else there is a shortage of GPs in the city.

BS,

My memory is poor. Haven't you extolled the virtues of your national healthcare in this forum?

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Post by Paul56 » Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:09 pm

BlackSpinner wrote:I haven't lived in the same place for more then 5 years ever. Every time I move and get a new doc we write a novel again. I was very lucky when I moved here to actually get a doctor instead of being part of clinic a practice. Like every where else there is a shortage of GPs in the city.
Writing the "novel" again is so unnecessary. When I moved to Vancouver, BC my Doc in Ottawa provided my new Doc in Vancouver with a copy of my records. I'm now back with my old Doc in Ottawa and since nothing much exciting happened with my Doc in Vancouver a re-forwarding of those records was not necessary.

Definitely agree with you on the shortages of GPs. Losing a GP pretty much guarantees you'll be going to a clinic with a round-robin of Doctors. Not sure how much any of that matters considering that if anything major happens we will all be dealing with all new Doctors anyways.

Take my mom for example:

-She sees a kidney specialist on a regular basis that comes up from Montreal.
-She also has a GP that she sees on an irregular basis.

Since the hip issue:

-the ER doc
-the surgeon
-many different docs during her hospital stay
-at least 2 different docs at the rehab place

The one thing I have noted through it all is that they have all been very conscious of the medication she is on and have been working in concert to get her meds better adjusted. They keep meticulous notes and the file on her for this incident alone is huge.

Despite all the different Docs... she has received excellent care.

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Post by Paul56 » Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:11 pm

rooster wrote:
BlackSpinner wrote:.......... I was very lucky when I moved here to actually get a doctor instead of being part of clinic a practice. Like every where else there is a shortage of GPs in the city.

BS,

My memory is poor. Haven't you extolled the virtues of your national healthcare in this forum?

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We really don't have a national health care system in Canada... the health care is administered on a provincial basis with variations from province-to-province.

For example... apnea is not recognized in the province of Quebec, while in Ontario apnea is recognized and there is some equipment funding assistance available.

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Post by BlackSpinner » Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:50 pm

My memory is poor. Haven't you extolled the virtues of your national healthcare in this forum?
Yes Chicken Little, I have. I can get into see a doctor in any clinic in about 2 hours for no cost at all, and get referrals to all sorts of tests - no charge. This is good for someone like my eldest daughter who is in excellent health. Keep going to the same clinic and they have your records. Most doctors here practice in clinic or group practices. However at 60 with health issues I am happy to have a steady doctor who specializes in us older folks. When I came down with Pneumonia I went to the clinic where she practices and I was in and out in 30 minutes, seen by the doctor on duty, got a prescription, referral for Xrays. By lunch time I had had the xrays done in the free walk in Xray clinic. Last month when my youngest daughter caught that swine flue and it turned into Bronchitis we went to the same clinic and were in and out in under 3 hours (there were a lot more flue patients this time)

By the way it is administered provincially. Services are different between the provinces though there is a national standard they have to meet.
Pharmacy records here have been online for years here for the bigger pharmacies. Legally your records have to be kept for at least 5 years in their computers.

All billing by doctors is also done on line so it is already hackable. I know this because I wrote some of the EDI software to hook a doctors scheduling system (which I also wrote) into the Nova Scotia medicare system 10 years ago. And NS was behind Quebec at the time for automation. So somewhere there is a data base for each province with the patient numbers and all the diagnostic codes for all office visits and all tests done . All it would need here is a little tweaking.

Americans are so slow to adopt technology. So paranoid.

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Post by jnk » Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:05 pm

Would you trust your health info to Google?
I trust you guys with it, don't I?
BlackSpinner wrote: . . .So paranoid.
HEY! How do YOU know I'm paranoid? Did you hack into my system, or something?!
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Post by Paul56 » Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:17 pm

jnk wrote:
Would you trust your health info to Google?
I trust you guys with it, don't I?
BlackSpinner wrote: . . .So paranoid.

HEY! How do YOU know I'm paranoid? Did you hack into my system, or something?!
I'm paranoid too... and I'm not American.

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Post by Muse-Inc » Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:28 pm

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MedicAlert and all my doctors have my records. I don't trust our govt to handle our records properly. How many Americans have the govt mis-manage their records? If I saw a CMM or CMMI Level 5 assessed company with many yrs of experience in designing and prototyping systems like this, I might think differently. I just doubt the govt's ability to select a vendor and have them deliver on time, within budget, and according to the requirements. The history of failure of these complex systems is just enormous.
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Re: OT: Would you trust your health info to Google?

Post by mattman » Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:56 pm

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mattman wrote: My doc has all my records right there in his file because I have been going to the same practice for 9 years. Anytime I go to see him it is a quick 10 minutes in and out. I will ask the doc next time I see him, but I believe most docs see 40 to 50 patients per day. Even when the records are right in front of them, they do not have the time to thoroughly review them.

I am trying to get on the Obama bandwagon with a central national medical records program. But I need some logic, not just emotion. Mattman, could you give me some specific examples of how this might "vastly" improve diagnosis and treatment?

BTW, I understand some of you have "no problem" with having your medical records in a central electronic repository. But do you insist on taking your fellow citizens kicking and screaming into the repository with you? I don't think these citizens will object to you going in as long as you don't send them the bill for the system.
Lessee...couple of different things here

I guess first I'd say I didn't see anywhere in this topic the idea coming up that anyone HAD to do anything with records. It was just a question of if I'd trust Google with them, which I do. I'd very much love to see a central repository for medical records. However, if any individual person wanted to take part of it is up to them. I honestly don't care what John, Bob or Sally do. If there was a decent central place I'd love it if they did take part simply because it could lower everyones risk and costs but hey - to each their own. I've never been a proponent of any system really that forces anyone to do anything, least of all something as minor as an online records storehouse. (Minor as compared to things like laws that keep people from being allowed to walk in my house, etc. That's the sort of stuff I DO support forcing people to comply with! )

I'm not sure how or where Obama came into this. My comments have nothing to do with him or any other public figure so I can't really respond to that. Again, I was only replying to the thread topic of 'Would I trust my info to Google'.

How do I think it would help? Here are a couple of quick examples:
At a recent meeting of staff at the hospital I work at the topic of Electronic Records and unified record keeping came up. A mother had related a story to one of our hospitals about how grateful she was that we'd been able to centralize all the records of our assosciated doctors, their clinics and offices, our clinics and offices, hospitals, etc. All of it's been unified and centralized. She had a child that has had some serious medical issues. She talked about how she normally had to keep copies of xrays and lab reports and all sorts of other stuff and take them around whenver they had to go somewhere. She'd been out and had a crisis come up with her son and rushed off to the nearest ER. The doc there on duty of course had never seen the child and she didn't have copies of the records. The doc was able to pull up on a tablet PC all the childs info right there at the bedside immediately. It not only exponentially sped up the treatment it allowed the doc to see disparate information that normally would have been scattered across maybe a dozen different independent systems and therefore let the doctor know exactly what to do without risking making any guesses. Needless to say she was so happy and relieved that if she were here she'd be the first one supporting a centralized system accesible across a much wider field then just our health system.

Another great example - my father. He's had some pretty unique medical problems over his lifetime. Some of them are potentially life threatening and potentitally hereditary. A couple of years ago I started experiencing some symptoms of one of them. Well, this is an extremely rare and difficult problem to diagnose. Plus it comes in 2 forms - 1 is almost always hereditary and the other isn't. So we go to contact his old doctor who did the surgery to get copies of my Dads records to find out what kind of tumor he had. Bad news - the doctor retired in 2000. His records are gone. There wasn't really any sort of place to have sent them at the time. Now my options are either to have exploratory surgery, wait until something get bads enough to put me in the hospital with symptoms that make it explicity clear what's going on, or hope that I don't have this. You're damn right I wish his records had been sent to a central record place that exists outside the doctor.

Another example - you say you've been seeing the same doc for years now. That's awesome. That's the sort of relationship that you can't even put a value on. However - let's say you are travelling and for some reason are on your own out in, hell let's say Montana (If you actually live in Montana then pretend it's Nebraska!). You get in a car accident and are unconcious. You go to the hospital. If the doctors there can get your name off your license and go look up all your medical info you think things are going to go better for you? That's a pretty extreme situation but you also better believe that something similar happens just about every day somewhere.

There are many other sorts of examples which I don't think anyone would really have a difficult time envisioning. But again - I stress this - if being a part of such a system is not your thing than fine. Don't be a part of it. I think it's your loss but hey, it's a free country!

Now, this is all my opinion obviously and I support it with the caveat that this has to be a system that is as secure as is possible. But a great many of us do our banking and shopping online and we trust sites like Amazon and Wachovia with our most personal information and so far they've been pretty damn safe. I'd certainly trust my health information - which is far less damaging if it gets out - to a system that is similarly secure.
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Re: OT: Would you trust your health info to Google?

Post by roster » Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:51 am

Mattman,

Thanks for taking the time to respond. You make a good argument, by way of actual examples, for good, readily accessible medical records.

Except for my SDB, our family has been lucky so far to not have any medical history that would be of concern for a routine or emergency hospital visit.

I am frequently in some remote areas and occasionally alone in those areas. I sometimes wonder whether I should wear a bracelet that says, "If found, roll onto side or back due to positional sleep apnea".

BTW, I particularly appreciate that you don't want to force anyone into a system. The thinking is quite different inside The Beltway.
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Post by LinkC » Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:36 pm

Snorebert wrote: Of course, anyone on Medicare already does!
Exactly! And look what a rousing success Medicare is! Those bozos can't even run "Cash for Clunkers" successfully!

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Post by jdm2857 » Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:09 pm

I didn't realize that HHS was running the CARS program.
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Post by Paul56 » Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:39 am

Canadian health care system is not utopia...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/m8mwcl

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Post by BlackSpinner » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:07 am

Canadian health care system is not utopia...
We don't need Utopia, We need a system that works effectively for the majority at a cost we can afford.
Utopia is like Heaven - It can only be achieved after a major trauma that no-one wants to experience.

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Post by LinkC » Mon Aug 03, 2009 7:42 am

jdm2857 wrote:I didn't realize that HHS was running the CARS program.
Nor was I. Who said anything about HHS? If you'll go back to the quoted msg, it's clear the "bozo" reference was to Congress.

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Re: OT: Would you trust your health info to Google?

Post by mattman » Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:15 am

BlackSpinner wrote:
Canadian health care system is not utopia...
We don't need Utopia, We need a system that works effectively for the majority at a cost we can afford.
Utopia is like Heaven - It can only be achieved after a major trauma that no-one wants to experience.
While this is spinning wildly off topic from the initial question of trusting Google with our healthcare info I do want to toss my 2 cents into an answer on this.

You are absolutely right!! We need a system that works effectively for the majority at a cost we can afford.

However, I think that will only happen when 1 major obstacle is overcome: The Legal System.

It starts with patients who want to sue the hell out of everyone every time a single mistake is made with healthcare. They see it as a lottery win. Mis-diagnosis? 10 million dollars please. Surgery didn't go well? 50 million dollars please.
Then the lawyers jump on the bandwagon and start encouraging it until we now have our self-sustaining system. The lawyers get amazingly rich off the system. Some patients get rich off the system. And fees go up.
Insurance fees go up for everyone involved - from the raw materials manufacturer to the distributor to the hospital/doctor/equipment provider etc. Good people get out of the system because they are terrified of being sued and then throw on the fantastically cumbersome documentation needed to cover ones rear in case the lawsuit does happen.
It sucks all the way around.

Once you get the legal system issue under control I honestly think the rest of the issues will be minor in comparison and easily solved.

Anyways, just my two cents.

And to be on-topic yes, I still would trust my healthcare info to Google and eagerly look forward to a system that would allow for such!

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