OSA and lions

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Re: OSA and lions

Post by 5aces » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:13 pm

Yes the farm I was on had some very wild animals...some you just didn't get close to.
Particular stand outs were:a wild boar(with tusks),a Charolais bull and one very mean barnyard dog.
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I received these links today in my e-mail and was quite astonished.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wso13n4kHZ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6C-JgkpY18
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Re: OSA and lions

Post by Julie » Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:35 pm

Need my mask, can hardly breathe! Incredible! The only other person I've seen get that loose with big cats is "Roy" of Siegfried and... when he rode one, which I still can't believe. Yet even knowing how wild they are, it seems so natural for it to happen - I think we've gotten so distanced from nature in our silly 'civilized' world that we don't know what we're missing.

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Re: OSA and lions

Post by timbalionguy » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:59 pm

Julie wrote:Need my mask, can hardly breathe! Incredible! The only other person I've seen get that loose with big cats is "Roy" of Siegfried and... when he rode one, which I still can't believe. Yet even knowing how wild they are, it seems so natural for it to happen - I think we've gotten so distanced from nature in our silly 'civilized' world that we don't know what we're missing.
Actually, I have seen a lot of people ride their cats, lions especially.

After being prompted by another thread, I decided I needed to finish Rudy's story, even though this thread is a year old. I had forgotten I had even created it.

In July of last year, Rudy showed me the ultimate respect that a lion can show a person: On a couple of occasions, he would roll over on his back in front of me and expose his belly. This is a display of ultimate trust, and is one of the most special things one can experience as a cat keeper. (It is also an invitation to play, but he was not in a playing mood at that time.) This made our alone times that much more special.

About mid-August, Rudy started to not feel well. At first we though it just the hot weather, which often takes away the appetite of our cats for a few days. But in Rudy's case, we found out he was terminally ill with kidney failure.

The next few weeks were supposed to be a busy time for me, but every time I tried to leave town, etc. something went wrong. Although I was frustrated about this, it created a lot of opportunities to spend extra time with Rudy. He really appreciated me being there.

Finally, the sad day came when we decided it was time for him to 'go home'. Rudy's human 'parents' came and spent most of the day with him. When they left, it was our turn to spend time with him. Even though there were a number of other people there to pay their respects, no one joined me when I went down to see Rudy. What followed was one of the most incredible times of interaction with a big cat I have ever had.

Rudy was very ill by then, and did not have a lot of strength left. But as the sun set, and it started to get cooler, he would use his remaining strength to get closer to me. As this was happening, I wondered where everyone else was. I called up to the main building and told people to come down. But, they never did. So in the end, I spent the last 90 minutes of Rudy's life alone with him. The only other 'person' there was Kenya, our 'normal' male lion (and the one in my avatar). He loved Rudy as well, and he kept watch for us.

Eventually, Rudy laid down so his head was touching the fence. I laid down, and we slept together for an entire hour, heads touching. During that hour, I could sense Rudy being totally at peace, with nothing to fear. He had been my 'watcher' a couple months earlier. Now, it was my turn to be his 'watcher'.

When the vet finally got there (and it was good she was over an hour late), Rudy was ready to go. He lost consciousness watching me (and I him), still at peace, and he died in my arms a few minutes later. We wrapped Rudy in beautiful gold and blue cloth and buried him next to my liger friend who had died 2 years earlier. I go out and sit with them whenever I get the chance.

Rudy has a tremendously strong spirit, and for the next two weeks, I frequently 'felt' Rudy around me. Then one day, his spirit was gone, and I have briefly sensed him maybe once or twice since. I'm sure he spends most his his time around his human 'parents' who loved him like an only child.
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Re: OSA and lions

Post by Muse-Inc » Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:20 pm

Beautiful poignant story...thanks for sharing.
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Re: OSA and lions

Post by Julie » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:52 am

Beautiful, and who knows where his spirit will return, maybe when you most need it.

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Re: OSA and lions

Post by dsm » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:49 am

Tlg

That is a touching story & yet another example of how we humans can and tend to underestimate animals and the relationships we can have with them.

About a year or so ago I saw a TV documentary about a couple of London art dealers who had a lion many years ago & it grew up with them but eventually they realized it couldn't stay in London - I am sure they got it back to Africa & am sure the story told of two guys there who took their lion in & looked after it. I recall them flying back to Africa when told it was not being well & was fading. Also am sure the story tells of how their lion in the interim had managed to find his way in the area & had a family & used to come back to visit the farm where he had been prepared for release.

This story sounds so close to what I just read that I am assuming it is the same & you were one of the people back in Africa. If so it is wonderful to know we have such a caring person among us.

I used to read Konrad Lorenz books (loved King Solomon's ring) which all talked about his experience with animals & birds in particular & still delight in hearing stories of man & animal showing respect and friendship with each other. I have a wonderful video clip sent to me by friends in Seattle that I may post a link to in the next day or so. It shows the pure fun animals can have when shown how to do something most folk assume only humans do.

Tks for this wonderful story.

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Re: OSA and lions

Post by timbalionguy » Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:46 am

Thanks, DSM. I know of what story you are speaking of...Christian the Lion. This sort of thing is the rule, rather than the exception with lions. They have very long memories, and because they are social, they really like it when 'friends' return.

I think big cats are very perceptive as well. Might even be a psycospiritual thing. Our male leopard 'loves my guts, but hates the rest of me'. He can tell when I have stepped into the outer room where his indoor enclosure is. Even though he cannot see me, or I haven't said a thing, or there has been time for my 'smell' to propagate to that end of the room, he often knows it is me and starts growling. I can homestly say that in the near decade I have been actually working with big cats, he is the only cat who really doesn't like me. And that is interesting in that I spent many happy hours playing with him as a cub.

On more topical things...no Auto SV machine yet. DME is messing up big time, and now even the sleep lab is upset.

I will next post the promised story about the lion solving a crime!
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Re: OSA and lions

Post by jules » Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:56 am

Sorry to hear about Rudy.

Yesterday was the anniversary of Dot's death - she was a fighter too and knew it was time when we took her to the vet to get it done. Her last effort was to look up at the Vet's dogs in the back yard where the vet's office is. She was ready. She was the white / tabby cat on page one of this thread - my "bad" kitty. She had one good month of joy and play after her spleen had been removed but at the time we didn't realize how bad the cancer was.

I guess this thread was on my mind the other night so I referred to it.

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Re: OSA and lions

Post by timbalionguy » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:34 pm

Very sorry to hear about Dot; my condolences. But now Dot can play with the 'big boys'. Maybe Rudy carries Dot around in his mouth, like he did with his 'pet' dog. The dog loved it and would wag it's tail when being carried around. At night, they often slept together.
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Re: OSA and lions

Post by elena88 » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:52 pm

oh gosh, now my eyes are wet, that was such a lovely story about Rudy, Im so sorry you all lost him, but to feel his essence near you must
have been such a comfort..

Thank you for sharing that, it was so touching.....


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Re: OSA and lions

Post by dsm » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:19 pm

TLG

As mentioned, here is a short video clip sent to me that shows animals know how to have real fun. Don't know how they learned this but it is such a delightful sight.

The following is a windows wmv file. Any computer with a video player that can play *.wmv files should be able to view it.

Enjoy

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http://www.internetage.ws/general/video ... edding.wmv
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Re: OSA and lions

Post by timbalionguy » Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:03 am

That was a truly fun video! (Runs just fine under Fedora 12 Linux as well!)
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Re: OSA and lions

Post by Pad A Cheek » Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:40 am

Thank you for the story about the lions, it was so touching.
I love how intune to us our animals are. We tend to take them so much for granted too often. They truly do enhance our lives in ways that other things cannot.
We have a standard poodle that has been giving us great joy for 3 years now. I can scarcely recall when she was not part of our family.
Thanks for sharing your stories.

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