Sexual Molestation at the Sleep Lab

I think the majority of people exposed to that article here, would not have otherwise been exposed to it.

I agree with this comment -I don't think I would have been alerted to this event had I not read it here. So, I'm glad it was posted as it gave me information that I probably would not have received otherwise.

As regards Mike's reason for posting the article, he may well be trying to "poach" traffic and sales. While this is viewed by some as being inappropriate, I don't think it can reasonably be viewed as:

ranks pretty much up there with "gross sexual imposition".

I think there is a huge difference between some perv groping women during a sleep study and posting an article about the perv on this website in an effort to gain sales.

So maybe (in fact, probably highly likely) Mike posted the article to draw traffic to his online store. I don't see what the problem is in that. The users of this forum are all intelligent, capable, competent adults who can, and should, be able to make whatever decision they want regarding where they seek information, whom they talk with and, where they purchase equipment and supplies. Those of you who are satisfied with the products and services that you get from CPAP.COM will undoubtedly continue to purchase from them and this is just as it should be; the consumer gets to decide where he/she spends the cash. Further, the consumer absolutely has the right to be exposed to multiple avenues of information and, a smart consumer WANTS to be exposed to different options. That so many continue to frequent this site and purchase from CPAP.COM is a testament to the quality of the site and the satisfaction that the consumer feels.

Mike seems to be trying to poach traffic by posting sensational articles; so what? Frequent the sites that are of value to you and spend your money at the places that give you good value. Undoubtedly, many many folk will continue on the CPAPTALK site and will frequent it's affiliate online store. It's all good.

What about taking business cards and going onto the property of a competitor and handing them out to potential customers?

Interesting point Rooster... If I had a business and a competitor came onto my property to hand out business cards, I'd toss his butt to the curb. If the owners of CPAPTALK want to ban Mike from posting on their site, they should do it.

OK, I just had to go to Mike's site and read the comments. One says,

During my first sleep study the tech that hooked me up to all the wires gave me the creeps! He kept standing very close and his, gosh I hate to say this and offend anyone but, flaccid you know what kept brushing here and there on my arm and leg. Yuck!!!! Thank goodness there was a very kind lady there the next time!

The username of the poster? bonesigh




Rooster
CPAP: Still can't get me beyond the 7th grade.

WillSucceed wrote:The users of this forum are all intelligent, capable, competent adults who can, and should, be able to make whatever decision they want regarding where they seek information, whom they talk with and, where they purchase equipment and supplies.

sleep deprive people arent known for making the best choices Really!

Piffle!!! You sell yourself short. Sure, someone who is sleep deprived MIGHT make some wonky decisions but, overall, the vast majority of folk with whom I've interacted on this site strike me as intelligent, competent, etc.

WillSucceed wrote:Piffle!!! ...overall, the vast majority of folk with whom I've interacted on this site strike me as intelligent, competent, etc.

Piffle? Above you speak only of rationality and not of typical human anxiety. Last I checked, anxiety was an inherently irrational process of the human mind. It is never about the highly intellectual process in your quote above, my friend.

And last I checked, sleep deprivation was very well documented regarding it's tendency to exacerbate anxieties. PSG anxiety, I would like you to meet far-worse sexual exploitation anxiety. Together you two can accomplish diametrically opposed end-results for various people around here.

rooster wrote:What about taking business cards and going onto the property of a competitor and handing them out to potential customers?

That speaks of a person who beautifully understands the finer aspects of serving themselves. And IMO people like that often tend to smile, be congenial, and make as many "friends" as possible they hand out business cards on their competitors' property. And, of course, they are often doing all that under the premise of "helping others"...

The used car salesman is always there to help people with affordable transportation... and they never charge extra for that friendly smile as they help.

Caveat emptor. This applies across the board. We can not expect the world to change, it won't. So, we must protect ourselves, individually. My wife had MS, severe demylanation of the brain. She could be talked into anything and I could not always be with her every moment a sales person called on the phone or knocked on the door. I looked at it this way, the sales person was doing their job, my wife did not look or act visibly impaired by the MS...at least in the early years. I rolled with the punches and had to undo a few things that she got us into. HOWEVER, when someone understood her condition, and took advantage of it, then things were different. I would be much more aggressive. As far as this thread goes, free speech, spoken without to intent to hurt anyone, and possibly to put a smile on someones face is welcome. There are things people will say that I will be sensitive to, but I realize the world does not know of my situation, so I let it be.
Bill

c'mon guys -- even assuming you're right, and my post is no more than a questionable attempt to draw attention to another sleep apnea resource, suggesting some moral equivalence between publicizing a website and sexual molestation is, oh, just maybe a stretch

It seems that molestation, like harassment is in the eye of the beholder. There's no question that there is a line which when crossed 99.9% would agree it is a violation, however, I suspect most offenses fall into a much lesser category.

If I were offended every time a nurse's (or other woman's) breast touched me in the normal course of her tasks it would be ludicrous, however, let a penis incidentally brush a shoulder and it's filthy and disgusting. Of course the line is crossed with overt grinding, etc. that everyone agrees is wrong.

I agree most people were molested at one point or other in their life, but I know some who may have been touched over their clothes who told and the parent made such a huge thing of it that it became a major deal following them into adulthood. It's going to happen whether it's a sibling or friend with curiosity which I consider normal but hopefully not a pervert who needs a trip to jail.

apnealife store owner wrote:suggesting some moral equivalence between publicizing a website and sexual molestation

Only one person suggested that----and as a very obvious hyperbole of disapproval I might add. Not surprised to see you latch on to that one hyperbole, and use it to distort valid objections presented in this thread.

For a minute there, I actually thought you did a very quick drive-by----with nothing more than a highly sensational sexual-molestation story that conveniently links readers to your site:

sleepguide wrote:By JEFF GREEN
jgreen@MorningJournal.com

ELYRIA — A former Amherst sleep lab technician has pleaded no contest to charges he groped five women that sought therapy at the lab.

Mina N. Roufail, 23, of Parma Heights, pleaded no contest yesterday to five counts each of sexual imposition and gross sexual imposition. . . (excerpt from http://www.sleepguide.com/forum/topics/ ... ion-at-the)

So what good came out of that highly sensational drive-by sexual link that you didn't even bother to discuss in this thread? Hope you're happy with the traffic you obviously plundered at the potential expense of inducing undue PSG anxiety.

SWS, you're right that this particular thread was highly sensational. but that doesn't discount the fact that it was also a highly relevant, on point contribution to this forum. kind of like the ABCD's of Sleep Apnea treatment that has been placed by this forum's admins in the "Collective Wisdom" section of the site: our-collective-cpap-wisdom/CPAP-basic-advice.html

sleepguide wrote: kind of like the ABCD's of Sleep Apnea treatment that has been placed by this forum's admins in the "Collective Wisdom" section of the site: our-collective-cpap-wisdom/CPAP-basic-advice.html

Mike, atypical PSG sex stories that entail high improbability and potential to induce PSG anxiety accomplishes the opposite of what the "Collective Wisdom" section endeavors: a healing effect.

my point is that I'm not trying to spam this site with low value commercial schlock. i'm contributing to this forum, and i'm building a community with its own culture someplace else. and as one member of cpaptalk said, people on cpaptalk are intelligent. they can and will make intelligent decisions about what they want to do. the world wide web is not a place that thrives on closed off borders between like minded sites. quite the contrary. openness and the ability for people to make their own decisions will win the day. if i have nothing valuable to offer, people will understand that and move on.

SWS wrote:

Piffle? Above you speak only of rationality and not of typical human anxiety. Last I checked, anxiety was an inherently irrational process of the human mind. It is never about the highly intellectual process in your quote above, my friend.

SWS, I spoke neither of rationality nor anxiety. I've only responded to Really's comment:

sleep deprive people arent known for making the best choices Really!

Not sure why you have decided to go off on me over "rationality" and "typical human anxiety" and, I'm not going to engage in a big debate about what anxiety is and how it both helps, and hurts, us. I'd really appreciate it if you would please not put words in my mouth and then bash me for those words.

The thrust of this thread, at least initially, seemed to be about the appropriateness/inappropriateness of Mike's postings which come across to some (perhaps many) as sensational AND, guide people to his own online store. My point is that people are going to make posts that others won't like, that some of these posts may well be thinly-veiled attempts to "poach" traffic and, all of us are adult enough to decide the merits of these posts and the other online forums to which they are linked. All of us get to decide whether or not we want to read the posts and, whether or not we want to follow the link(s).

Sheesh! Take it easy, will you please?