Adrenal Fatigue

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Re: Adrenal Fatigue

Post by Muse-Inc » Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:44 pm

socknitster wrote:Are you sure its fructose and not high fructose corn syrup that causes the fatty liver etc?
Because fructose is present in variable quantities in fruits as the natural sweetener. It would seem to me that in moderation it would be fine...
Agave might be up to 90% fructose and that IMHO opinion is just way too high. Fructose is only metabolized in the liver and if the liver is stressed in any way then the amt in agave might too much for the liver to properly handle...all excess that cannot be handled is deposited as fat...in the liver. Yes, to one % or another, most fruits contain fructose but none near 90% and in the fruit it's as it occurs naturally with enzymes, nutrients, fiber, etc. way easier for the body to handle. But, your body may do just fine on what you're consuming...just a friendly warning to do your research. I'd even sent an email thanking that company for creating those luscious coconut products, then investigated agave ...oh well, I was so hoping to have found an ice cream I could just buy & enjoy now & then.
socknitster wrote:..As far as how long the RT3 remains in the receptor, that is unclear to me, but everything I've read made it sound as though conversion is ongoing all the time--considering that there are mitochondria in each cell. . . well, its only a matter of time that all the RT3 would be replaced with active T3. Cytomel is not slow release, so it is not recommended for this particular therapy. But it sounds like it worked for you anyway. I have heard that most people get relief in 2 weeks to a month on this protocol. That would be such a blessing.
Yeah, Cytomel is wham bam thank ya mam! I used to take my morning dose, then another before 2 PM. The time-release form would be ideal but at the time, there were no good varieties available...they dissolved too fast or too slow...we even had me try to shave or lick off a small portion every few hrs but that just made a sticky mess and interferred with my concentration at work (needed tight focus). Doc did an extra long and extra leads (I think) EKG and sent it off to Mayo for review before he prescribed the Cytomel. I OD'd on it when he was trying to find the best dosage, my BP went to 200/70 for several days -- scary. But I gotta admit, I felt the best I'd felt in many yrs taking Cytomel.
socknitster wrote:...she said, you know--its just the time of your life...
OMG, how depressing! And it's unlikely that perimenopause is the culprint...if anything, these symptoms IMHO are likely side effects of whatever else is going on. If it is low adrenal function and not just a T4-->T3 conversion problem, I've read that low dose hydrocortisone works wonders. At one time, they had what were called ACE injections (if I remember the name right ), they are IV infusions of adrenal cortical complex. Back in the late '70s I having hypoglycemic episodes that deeply affected my brain, like forgetting how to write certain letters (uppercase "H" was one...bizarre) and unable to clearly communicate ideas to others or comprehend what others were saying, my doc at the time tried these with remarkable success. You got 3 a wk for 3 wks, then stopped to prevent the adrenals from 'shutting down'...just enough therapy that the adrenals could theoretically relax and not have to work so hard...FDA decided they were ineffective, that cortisone pills were better and banned this treatment. That low dose was very effective compared to jacking up your body with 200-300 times what it naturally produces cyclically over the course of a day.
socknitster wrote:I'm planning my spot on "Mystery Diagnosis,"
Let us know when they broadcast the episode!
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Re: Adrenal Fatigue

Post by socknitster » Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:44 am

Muse,

Good point about the fruit having fiber and enzymes. I've mainly been using stevia as my sweetener as well as truvia (which also has erithrytol?) and trying to desensitize myself in general to the level of sweetness I used to be accustomed to. I have had success with slowly increasing my low glycemic foods and decreasing my table sugar intake until it is now down to nearly zero. Now I don't crave sugar or bread really at all any more and am satisfied with the stevia in my coffee in the morning. I cannot stand the taste of any of the artificial sweeteners, except for the rare can of fresca which seems to mask the taste. Stevia is a compromise for me since I do have a sweet tooth. I do have an occasional square of dark chocolate, but only with a low glycemic meal to keep the glycemic load down. I think it is helpful to do all this and more healthy, but I have NOT lost a gram of weight yet and I've been doing this for two months. So I'm trying not to think about it that way. Just trying to think: be healthy and the rest will come in its own time.

Its my understanding the T3 therapy is compounded at pharmacies now to be time-release. Only specialized pharmacies do this.

I'm still waiting for results of yesterday's test. I felt absolutely awful yesterday. Last night I barely slept but I feel great today for a change--I'm guessing my body eventually made the cortisol which is why I feel so much better and had trouble sleeping. But whether it made it in time for the test to reflect it, I have no idea. Yeah, I wouldn't mind a low dose of cortisone every day if I could feel like this!

I'll let you know when my segment will air, lol!

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Re: Adrenal Fatigue

Post by Muse-Inc » Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:03 pm

socknitster wrote:...erithrytol...
I was so hoping that this would work for me, but I've tried several mfg's and I can taste it...not pleasant. IMHO, erithitol is probably the healthest of the -itols (sugar alcohols) as it is derived from food with minimal changes...altho it is an extract devoid of the other complements as found in nature. The nicest is that it will not affect gut function as it is metabolized differently than the other -itols. I tried the sweetner made from chicory and inulin but it too for me has a weird unpleasant aftertaste.
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Re: Adrenal Fatigue

Post by socknitster » Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:12 pm

THat is funny. I didn't like stevia at first either, but it seems like you get used to it. My husband LOVES Splenda, but it leaves a terrible aftertaste in my mouth. Very individualistic.

BTW, Addison's test was normal. Thank goodness. Now hopefully the T3 therapy will do the miracle I'm hoping for.

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Re: Adrenal Fatigue

Post by Muse-Inc » Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:21 pm

socknitster wrote:...Addison's test was normal...
One thing I've learned...get a copy of the results, what they call normal you might not think of as normal when you do some investigation. But good news that the numbers did not set off doc's alarms!
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Re: Adrenal Fatigue

Post by Muse-Inc » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:15 pm

Jan, here's another link to info re reverse T3 and Wilson's protocol. Lowe's hypothroid himself.
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Post by socknitster » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:35 pm

Muse-Inc wrote:
socknitster wrote:...Addison's test was normal...
One thing I've learned...get a copy of the results, what they call normal you might not think of as normal when you do some investigation. But good news that the numbers did not set off doc's alarms!
Agreed and done.

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Post by pb5927317 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:39 pm

I suffer from adrenal fatigue as well as low testosterone. I am just starting my CPAP 2 nite and will let you know of how it affects those situations.

Also, I am using 25 mg of compounded pregnelone twice a day, not near the side affects of an oral steroid and it works just as well.

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Re: Adrenal Fatigue

Post by Muse-Inc » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:48 pm

pb5927317 wrote:I suffer from adrenal fatigue as well as low testosterone. I am just starting my CPAP 2 nite and will let you know of how it affects those situations.

Also, I am using 25 mg of compounded pregnelone twice a day, not near the side affects of an oral steroid and it works just as well.
Welcome aboard! If ya run into problems tonight, come login and ask for help...someone's bound to be logged in and will offer suggestions. Got any questions? Comeback tomorrow and tell us how your did!
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Re: Adrenal Fatigue

Post by socknitster » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:39 am

pb5927317 wrote:I suffer from adrenal fatigue as well as low testosterone. I am just starting my CPAP 2 nite and will let you know of how it affects those situations.

Also, I am using 25 mg of compounded pregnelone twice a day, not near the side affects of an oral steroid and it works just as well.
Hey, pb, welcome to a place that you will find really helpful! Are you male or female? If you are female you might find taking progestererone to be just as helpful. I assume you meant pregnenalone? This is the master precurser of all other hormones, sometimes called the mother hormone. It is recommended more for men because it helps them make more testosterone. In women, progesterone is preferred because pregnenolone can be more readily converted to testosterone which many women do not want.

Hope your first night went well, but if it didn't--don't worry it will get better and easier with time and practice!

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Re: Adrenal Fatigue

Post by gasp » Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:11 am

socknitster wrote:Are you sure its fructose and not high fructose corn syrup that causes the fatty liver etc? Because fructose is present in variable quantities in fruits as the natural sweetener. It would seem to me that in moderation it would be fine. I use it so sparingly that I'm not worried--its not like I eat a pint every night. More like 1/3 of a pint on a rare occasion. I think the real issue is people drinking gallons of high fructose corn syrup laden soft drinks etc, don't you? I keep hearing agave nectar is lower glycemic than table sugar. Maybe more sleuthing is needed in this matter. . .. . . Jen
Granted, Mercola is a bit of an extremist, but balanced with common sense I use his news as a place to start. However, I do tend to agree more than disagree with his viewpoints. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... Truth.aspx

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Re: Adrenal Fatigue

Post by gasp » Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:29 am

socknitster wrote:CaptM,

Not prying, Ill be glad to share (I just copied and pasted from my current "take to the docs document":
Medications/Supplements
Long term:
100 mg Sertraline/Zoloft

1 multi vitamin (centrum)
1000 mg calcium citrate (divided)
250 mg magnesium citrate
Complete Essential Fatty Acids (400mg each flax, borage, fish oil)
1000 mg salmon oil

New (about 1 month)
200 mg oral micronized progesterone
2000 mg C (Ascorbic, Rose Hips, Acerola Cherry with 600 mg bioflavenoids)
Mega B-Stress 100 mg each B vitamin, timed release

Astragalus root extract 260 mg (Chinese Herb) well-being, immune system, regulate blood sugar
Licorice glycyrrhiza glabra root 450 mg, 3x per day, combat fatigue, assist adrenals
Ashwagandha 2.96 mg withanolides (Indian Herb) energy, combat fatigue, assist adrenals
I like New Chapter Organics for Women (versus Centrum) as it has IMHO a better formula, absorbs and assimilates into the system better, and much more. http://www.newchapter.com/products/ever ... -one-daily This is a one daily which suits some people. I don't mind taking 3 a day so I use: http://www.newchapter.com/products/every-woman

Odd that your vitamin D levels were good. I wonder if the lab did a 25-hydroxy vitamin D test?

So, what the heck, what do you have to lose? With pregnancies and everything else you've gone through, perhaps you'd like to try an anti-estrogenic diet? I took fertility meds which are hell on the body and play havoc with a woman's hormone balance. I hadn't been the same since. I tried so many things. Finally I did the Anti-Estrogenic Diet and voila! For the first time I feel like there is hope that my body will return to a hormonal normal. http://www.antiestrogenicdiet.com/

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Re: Adrenal Fatigue

Post by socknitster » Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:09 pm

Ok, I'm convinced that agave is about the same as high fructose corn syrup. Darn. I only use it very sparingly, but it is dissapointing. Especially because my husband is right--he told me it was all hype and I didn't believe him!

Interestingly, when I lived in a remote area of Costa Rica in college with a host family, I occasionally walked through an agave field to get where I was going. It was a small farm but there were lots like it. Growing on deforested land (also saw some coffee plantations growing in similar conditions) at an elevation of about 10,000 feet. My host father showed me the pina (with a tilda on the n, pronounced pee-nya) where the "leaves" had been harvested and the pineapple looking thing was left to grow some more. My memory of that time is very fuzzy. That trip is actually around the time that many of my symptoms began, but they were only minor annoyances then. Didn't hold me back at all. The trip was so stressful, I didn't menstruate for the entire 4 months I was there. And I got seriously ill a couple of times. Imagine having a raging ear infection and having to go down the side of a mountain from 10,000 feet to sea level in a rickety bus from the 1950's just to get medical care. Those were fun times. Another time I got an intestinal yeast infection from drinking raw milk. But I did drink the best coffee in the world every day and lived with some beautiful people.

Gasp,

They did do:
Hydroxy 25 vitamin D2 <4
Hydroxy 25 vitamin D3 39
Hydroxy 25 vitamin D total 39

The reference range given says: "Optimal levels in the normal population are 25-80." This test was done at Mayo.

Do you have information about what these values should be that would indicate otherwise?

Darn, my son took another short nap today. Less rest and relaxation for Mommy today.

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Re: Adrenal Fatigue

Post by pb5927317 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:03 pm

socknitster wrote:
pb5927317 wrote:I suffer from adrenal fatigue as well as low testosterone. I am just starting my CPAP 2 nite and will let you know of how it affects those situations.

Also, I am using 25 mg of compounded pregnelone twice a day, not near the side affects of an oral steroid and it works just as well.
Hey, pb, welcome to a place that you will find really helpful! Are you male or female? If you are female you might find taking progestererone to be just as helpful. I assume you meant pregnenalone? This is the master precurser of all other hormones, sometimes called the mother hormone. It is recommended more for men because it helps them make more testosterone. In women, progesterone is preferred because pregnenolone can be more readily converted to testosterone which many women do not want.

Hope your first night went well, but if it didn't--don't worry it will get better and easier with time and practice!

jen
Hi Jen, my first night went ok. Every time my ramp would build up, my Collie got afraid and came over and woke me up!

I am a 35 year old male, and I don't how how to spell pregnenalone! I started with testosterone replacement compounded. I was on cortef for about 1 year, and it just never did an great job. The prenenalone fixed my deficient cortisol levels. I re-did the saliva testing after being on it and my levels became almost book perfect during the day and then dropping at night like they are supposed to.

Get a book by Dr. Jacob Teitelbaum. endfatigue.com, he covers all of these issues. Find a doctor that sells Ortho Molecular products if you want to do something herbal.

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Re: Adrenal Fatigue

Post by gasp » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:32 pm

socknitster wrote:Ok, I'm convinced that agave is about the same as high fructose corn syrup. Darn. I only use it very sparingly, but it is dissapointing. Especially because my husband is right--he told me it was all hype and I didn't believe him!

Interestingly, when I lived in a remote area of Costa Rica in college with a host family, I occasionally walked through an agave field to get where I was going. It was a small farm but there were lots like it. Growing on deforested land (also saw some coffee plantations growing in similar conditions) at an elevation of about 10,000 feet. My host father showed me the pina (with a tilda on the n, pronounced pee-nya) where the "leaves" had been harvested and the pineapple looking thing was left to grow some more. My memory of that time is very fuzzy. That trip is actually around the time that many of my symptoms began, but they were only minor annoyances then. Didn't hold me back at all. The trip was so stressful, I didn't menstruate for the entire 4 months I was there. And I got seriously ill a couple of times. Imagine having a raging ear infection and having to go down the side of a mountain from 10,000 feet to sea level in a rickety bus from the 1950's just to get medical care. Those were fun times. Another time I got an intestinal yeast infection from drinking raw milk. But I did drink the best coffee in the world every day and lived with some beautiful people.

Gasp,

They did do:
Hydroxy 25 vitamin D2 <4
Hydroxy 25 vitamin D3 39
Hydroxy 25 vitamin D total 39

The reference range given says: "Optimal levels in the normal population are 25-80." This test was done at Mayo.

Do you have information about what these values should be that would indicate otherwise?

Darn, my son took another short nap today. Less rest and relaxation for Mommy today.
Dr Mercola (my lovely extremist : ) says 50 is optimum. My non-expert advice would be since you're not in danger of getting too much at this time since your levels aren't high,you could take 2,500 IU to 5,000IU I take 5,000 IU Jarrow formula vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol). I finally got my vitamin D levels up, but living in a dark cloudy area, I need to continue taking it. When I move to our sunny location I will lower the dose.

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