Interesting Side-Effect in Switch from CPAP to APAP

Thanks, Jeff, but I'm curious as to what you mean by, "fought the damn thing for seven months...".
What kind of problems were you having?

I'd wake up when the pressure changed. The point of xpap is to stay asleep and on apap I wasn't.

JeffH

Hi Amigo,

imho, having an APAP is better so that we have 1) a choice and 2) the ability to do a rough titration if therapy isn't going as well as we would like. I don't see why they just don't give everyone an APAP for that reason. So I don't think you need to "justify" having an APAP

Mindy

Amigo,

I am especially happy to see you are back and doing well. If I remember correctly, you are the guy that kicked over the lantern that started the Vaseline Wars a couple of years back. That spawned some of the funniest posts ever on this forum. I cannot find those all posts and wonder if they did not transfer over when the software was switched out. If anyone has the links I would appreciate if you pass them along.

Best regards,

rooster wrote:. . . Vaseline Wars . . . anyone has the links . . .

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jnk wrote:
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Thanks Jeff, but the best ones are not in there. You would have enjoyed them.

rooster wrote:

jnk wrote:
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Thanks Jeff, but the best ones are not in there. You would have enjoyed them.

We'll just have to hope history repeats itself, then, like all good wars!

Oh, hear are some of them search.php?keywords=sheik

Have a look and a laugh.

mindy wrote:Hi Amigo,

imho, having an APAP is better so that we have 1) a choice and 2) the ability to do a rough titration if therapy isn't going as well as we would like. I don't see why they just don't give everyone an APAP for that reason. So I don't think you need to "justify" having an APAP

Mindy

Of course I agree, Mindy, but putting "choices" into our hands is not in the best interests of the "health care" industry. I'm actually surprised that the xPAP manufacturers haven't enabled more restrictive access to the setting changes in an attempt to force us to return to our DME's.

In the meantime, I remain very pleased with my choice of an APAP despite a few "breaking in" difficulties.

rooster wrote:Amigo,

I am especially happy to see you are back and doing well. If I remember correctly, you are the guy that kicked over the lantern that started the Vaseline Wars a couple of years back. That spawned some of the funniest posts ever on this forum. I cannot find those all posts and wonder if they did not transfer over when the software was switched out. If anyone has the links I would appreciate if you pass them along.

Best regards,

Ouch...but, yeah, guilty as charged. I still feel that mountains were made out of molehills on that issue, since I never advocated stuffing your nose with the stuff. And, yes, I'm still using it as my nares lubricant of choice rather than all the other high-priced spreads.

I'm sure "Guest(s)" hoped that I'd be long dead by now from the dreaded Lipoid Pneumonia.

jnk wrote:

rooster wrote:

jnk wrote:
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Thanks Jeff, but the best ones are not in there. You would have enjoyed them.

We'll just have to hope history repeats itself, then, like all good wars!

Well, jnk, sorry to disappoint, but I wouldn't go near the issue of using Vaseline if my life depended on it. Although I agree with Rooster, some of the posts were absolute gems, and provided all of us with a good laugh.

Of course, given my volatile nature, and abhorrence of fear-mongering, there may still be wars to be fought.

Amigo wrote:. . . I still feel that mountains were made out of molehills . . . yes, I'm still using it as my nares lubricant of choice rather than all the other high-priced spreads. . . . the dreaded Lipoid Pneumonia. . . . I wouldn't go near the issue of using Vaseline if my life depended on it. . . . . Of course, given my volatile nature, and abhorrence of fear-mongering, there may still be wars to be fought.

So, if I may summarize the above, then, you are saying:

'I wouldn't go near that issue.' And you are also saying, 'but I think there was fear-mongering, that mountains were made of molehills; p-jelly is still my lube of choice because the other stuff costs too much, and I don't fear lipoid pneumonia.'

So, OK, people, this is an announcement: Rooster and I are now in league to do everything we can to use Amigo as a cyber-hostage as we now attempt to do everything within our power to hijack this thread.

LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!!

Amigo wrote: ....
.......... I still feel that mountains were made out of molehills on that issue, ........

That's often what it takes to get some good belly laughs!

I was afraid you were sore about the whole hilarious mess but it sounds like you remember it (somewhat) fondly. I still never figured out what members were the creators of some of those roaring Guest posts.

There was some creativity displayed, but my favorite post was a simple one by a guest posting as "Aumigo" saying, "I will kill you if you use Vaseline in your nostrils." I suspect that "Guest" was really "Lipoid Pneumonia".

Regards,

rooster wrote:I still never figured out what members were the creators of some of those roaring Guest posts.

Well, the Guest "StillAnotherGuest" who signed his posts "SAG" was in fact, SAG. All of his posts were serious, that was before he developed a sense of humor.

jnk wrote:LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!!

Sure, I'll start.

Mayo

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Chest (reply)

Some Interesting Thoughts

Petroleum jelly liquifies when warmed.

In the morning, some/most/all of the nasal application is gone.

There are 30 million posts here that try to associate the "R" of GERD with OSA.

If you agree with that concept then you should accept the mechanism of petroleum jelly aspiration.

Because of the nature of petroleum jelly, once it gets into your lungs it just sits there. Most of the other substances eventually move out of the lung.

Debilitated people are especially at risk.

The onset of exogenous lipoid pneumonia is insidious ("I'm not dead yet" is not a good diagnostic indicator).

The reduction of the incidence of exogenous lipoid pneumonia over the years occurred because of an increase in the awareness of the causes.

SAG

HOLD THE ROTTEN TOMATOES!!!

SAG, does that warning include Lansoh, which is also lipid I think?

O.

Gee, thanks a lot, o.!

Not knowing what Lansinoh was, I happened to be in WalMart so I figured I'd grab a tube, bottle, pail, whatever, and read the ingredients. So's I ask the babe, "Hey, you got any Lansinoh? I like to keep abreast of developments in skin care."

Sheesh, what a sorehead.

But They Used Vaseline?

SAG

On the other hand, Lansinoh goes to great lengths to proclaim it's purity:

If Babies Can Eat It, Then Why Can't You Breath It?

Lansinoh Leaflet wrote:Mineral Paraffins:
It is widely acknowledged that paraffins are not suitable to be ingested. Toxicity feeding studies in Fisher 344 rats indicated that mineral oils, particularly of medium and low viscosities (C10-C25), cause specific adverse effects, such as liver granulomas and lesions in the mesenteric lymph nodes (histiocytosis) (Baldwin et al., 1992; Smith et al., 1996). Based on these findings, the Scientific Committee on Food (SCF) of the European Union (EU) as well as the Joint FAO / WHO Expert Committee on Food Additives (JECFA) established acceptable daily intake (ADI) levels for different classes of mineral oils and waxes. A recent Swiss study1 showed that breastfeeding may expose babies to a daily intake of up to 1 mg/kg bw of mineral paraffins and that if the mother uses a salve (e.g. vaseline) as a breast care product, the daily intake of the baby may reach 40 mg/kg bw. The study concluded that the composition of the mineral paraffins in the breastmilk, together with that in vaseline, is in a range the SCF deemed not suitable for human food use.

1Reference: Exposure of babies to C15–C45 mineral paraffins from human milk and breast salves, Anja Noti, Koni Grob, Maurus Biedermann, Ursula Deiss and Beat J. Brüschweiler

SAG

It is true, but don't think about this too much: Lansinoh is is a greasy yellow substance secreted by the sebaceous glands of domestic sheep. You ever walked through a sheep lot?

And yeah, for breakfast I just had two fresh ovaries from domestic fowl and a glass of an opaque white liquid produced by the mammary glands of domesticated ungulates who eat by repeatedly regurgitating and rechewing their food.