Does Booze Help?

JeffH · Post by **JeffH** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:34 pm

Quit looking at the clock. I'm serious. Hide it from yourself. You are only telling your unconscious mind that it is more important to know what time it is than to go back to sleep. I quit looking at mine about a year ago and staying asleep has greatly improved.

I can hear you now....it can't be that simple. Sure it can.

JeffH

giantred · Post by **giantred** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:56 pm

Someone I know says they take Nyquol everynight and it works.

kopoloff · Post by **kopoloff** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:27 am

This is bad news. you've spoil my day. My 'just one glass of red to help me sleep' excuse is blown.

I used to suffer from interrupted sleep, especially waking up totally at around 3.00, then finally getting back to sleep around 5.30, just in time for the 6.00 alarm. i had no trouble getting to sleep - my wife reckons that I turned out the light and began snoring in the same instant.

I'm pretty sure that it was related to clinical depression, and as i've been resolving that my sleep issues have abated. Helped no end by pumping compressed air into my nose every night of course. Sleep disorders and depression go hand in hand, so fixing sleep deprivation improves the sleep patterns, which help to resolve the depression.

I suggest you get some assistance from a psychologist - there are many factors that can be dealt with relatively easily, and even hypnosis can be effective.

Good luck with this - it's a difficult thing to live with, but with the right approach it will be OK

K

nobody · Post by **nobody** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:21 am

First, it could be the pressure changes that are disrupting your sleep. So you may want to make the range shorter or even try a straight CPAP and see if that helps.

But, know that some (many, in fact) people *naturally* have a bimodal sleep rhythm. Basically, you have a first sleep of 3-5 hours, are awake for 1-4 hours, then a second sleep of 3-5 hours. This is a very normal and natural sleep pattern and instead of lying in bed with tons of anxiety about getting back to sleep, I would suggest you get up and do something relaxing...light reading, watch tv, etc. Don't worry about going to sleep, in a couple hours it will hit you like a ton of bricks and you'll sleep fine again. The only bad thing about it is that you need about 14 hours time to get 7 or 8 hours of sleep. Can be a bit inconvenient.

Finally, there are other sleep disorders besides OSA that can disrupt night time sleep. Example, narcolepsy.

dieselgal wrote:I know I have said all this before but my problem isn't getting to sleep. I go to bed, very good sleep hygiene and I am asleep within 15 mins. My problem is that around 2 o'clock I wake up wide awake. I lay until I knod off again but from that point on I am awake generally at least one time and hour and I don't mean drowsy awake. I am AWAKE. Most of my night is spent trying to get back to sleep. This happens now even with Ambien. I have tried Melatonin and other drugs but they don't keep me asleep. I have tried everything legal and every trick I can think of and it is driving me NUTS.
Last night I went to bed, fell quickly to sleep and had this odd dream where the house was about to explode and I needed to tell my hubby so we could run, but my mouth wouldn't work and I couldn't scream. I finally woke myself up moaning and trying to talk. Looked at the clock and it was 2:25. Then it was after 3:30 before I nodded off again and woke probably 5 more times before 6 a.m. I am not getting rest and my brain is suffering. For this last week I have gotten so little restorative sleep that I feel weepy and pissed all the time.(My hubby might say that is normal) but maybe it is because I don't sleep.
As for the cpap machine that seems to be working fine and my numbers always look great. I have the m series auto and it is set 7- 13. My usual number is right at 10. Not having events etc.

nobody · Post by **nobody** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:26 am

BTW, here is an article you might find interesting:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... 8799/print

dieselgal · Post by **dieselgal** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:52 am

Thanks for all the support and advice. The best may have been from JeffH to get rid of the clock! LOL. That might actually make me feel better even if I don't sleep better because I won't know for sure when I woke up or how long I have been awake.
The article that nobody posted is interesting too. I will have to really read that one day when I can focus.
I will keep you informed if I have a break through.
Thanks again!

Wulfman · Post by **Wulfman** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:19 pm

I always sleep better on the weekends knowing my alarm clock isn't going to go off.

And, I would suggest trying single-pressure CPAP mode for a week and see if that helps.

Den

roster · Post by **roster** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:33 pm

dieselgal wrote:I know I have said all this before but my problem isn't getting to sleep. I go to bed, very good sleep hygiene and I am asleep within 15 mins. My problem is that around 2 o'clock I wake up wide awake. I lay until I knod off again but from that point on I am awake generally at least one time and hour and I don't mean drowsy awake. I am AWAKE. Most of my night is spent trying to get back to sleep. This happens now even with Ambien. I have tried Melatonin and other drugs but they don't keep me asleep. ........

I have this also; it is Premature Awakening Syndrome. Get rid of the Ambien because it will not allow a normal sleep architecture (too little REM).

I do one of two things (in addition to good sleep hygiene, diet, exercise and loving life and people) to cope with it. I keep handy by the bed two containers. One has 2 x 3 mg melatonin and the other has 2 x 500 mg acetaminophen. When that middle-of-the-night awakening hits, I make a judgment about my body. If I feel any soreness or tenseness of muscles I take the two tablets of acetaminophen. If my body feels relaxed I will take one or two tablets of melatonin depending on how long it is until I need to be up. If I am having a very bad night, I might take both acetaminophen and melatonin.

Good luck,

Kiralynx · Post by **Kiralynx** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:52 pm

dieselgal wrote:I am so desperate for some sleep that I am considering a bottle of wine tonight. I don't drink but I might begin if it helps. Anyone?

I'm still going to stand by the fact that for me, at least, wine at bed time worsens the apnea. However, the thought of needed relaxation, plus a question of waking with pain issues sorta set off the alarms, since that was how I was diagnosed in the first place -- constant painful awakenings.

Rooster's thought on keeping the acetaminophen and melatonin handy (in measured doses, so you don't have to think about it) is a good one. Before my diagnosis, I would be awakened by pain, get up, hit the necessary, come back and take some anti-inflammatories (I use salmon oil, evening primrose oil, and bromelain) and then lie awake until the supplements kicked in.

Hope you are able to get some rest.

roster · Post by **roster** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:25 pm

jnk wrote:Subject: Does Booze Help?

rooster wrote: . . . I keep handy by the bed two containers. One has 2 x 3 mg melatonin and the other has 2 x 500 mg acetaminophen. When that middle-of-the-night awakening hits, I make a judgment about my body. If I feel any soreness or tenseness of muscles I take the two tablets of acetaminophen. If my body feels relaxed I will take one or two tablets of melatonin depending on how long it is until I need to be up. If I am having a very bad night, I might take both acetaminophen and melatonin.

Good luck,
Just making sure you saw this study:

http://ep.physoc.org/cgi/content/full/94/2/199

Thanks for pointing that out JNK.

From my understanding of this study, you might do liver damage if you take an overdose of acetaminophen on a night that you have hypoxia because you did not mask up.

I have read other studies and peer reviews of those studies and would be comfortable taking 4 grams of acetaminophen per day longterm if there were a medical need to do so. I believe this is another case where media and others jumped on something and created a fear of a danger that is not there (unless you overdose).

jnk · Post by **jnk** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:54 pm

rooster wrote:
jnk wrote:Subject: Does Booze Help?

rooster wrote: . . . I keep handy by the bed two containers. One has 2 x 3 mg melatonin and the other has 2 x 500 mg acetaminophen. When that middle-of-the-night awakening hits, I make a judgment about my body. If I feel any soreness or tenseness of muscles I take the two tablets of acetaminophen. If my body feels relaxed I will take one or two tablets of melatonin depending on how long it is until I need to be up. If I am having a very bad night, I might take both acetaminophen and melatonin.

Good luck,
Just making sure you saw this study:

http://ep.physoc.org/cgi/content/full/94/2/199
Thanks for pointing that out JNK.

From my understanding of this study, you might do liver damage if you take an overdose of acetaminophen on a night that you have hypoxia because you did not mask up.

I have read other studies and peer reviews of those studies and would be comfortable taking 4 grams of acetaminophen per day longterm if there were a medical need to do so. I believe this is another case where media and others jumped on something and created a fear of a danger that is not there (unless you overdose).

These were the sentences by Lena Lavie, PhD., that made me think of you, rooster:

"This is an interesting and important study with potential clinical implications for liver toxicity in patients with OSA using such common pain relievers as [acetaminophen], and possibly in other diseases associated with an intermittent hypoxia component. Given that [acetaminophen] is a commonly used pain reliever, the heightened prevalence of OSA in the general population, and that OSA predisposes to several conditions associated with chronic pain, the combination of these findings suggests a potentially enhanced liver toxicity in these patients even at a recommended dosage use."

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