New CPAP user can't stop sneezing. Help!

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Re: New CPAP user can't stop sneezing. Help!

Post by stevef1007 » Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:44 pm

rooster wrote:
stevef1007 wrote:
rooster wrote:Steve,

I am not familiar with the Remstar Plus model but according to cpap.com there is no data card.

How are you getting data?
OK, I"m home now and checked and I was wrong. It's the REMstar Pro M series with heated humidifier and smart card. Sorry, new to this stuff. By the way, I went to my DME this afternoon and tried on some full face mask, finally found one that didn't seem to be leaking, although had to be ratcheted down pretty good. Different "feel" but might give a try. First she is going to order a mask for mouth breathers that just covers my mouth and see how that does, since I'm normally a mouth breather. The risk, I suppose, is if after conditioning myself for 5 months to be a nose breather, if I do that with the mouth mask I won't be getting any cpap pressure to keep my airway open, but I would think the pressure being stopped because I shut my mouth that I would wake up, either due to pressure on my lips or leakage? Anyway, we'll see. I just gotta figure out something to stop these allergy-like symptoms. Thanks, Rooster.
1. OK that is excellent that you have a machine with data card. What do your AHIs and leak look like?

2. A full face mask that has to be "ratcheted down pretty good" does either not fit properly, is not adjusted properly, or is just inappropriate for you. Most of us make the mistake as beginners that the mask has to be tight to prevent leaks. When everything is sized and adjusted properly, a well-designed mask will be worn relatively loose and it will not leak.

3. The DME must be ordering the Oracle HC452 Oral CPAP Mask, https://www.cpap.com/simple-find-cpap-p ... /oral.html . You will not find many people on the forum that are successfully using this mask. Most people do not breathe exclusively with their mouth. Also, since the nose is not covered, pressure can leak out the nose. When this happens the machine is often not able to maintain an effective pressure and the airway collapses (apnea).

I know that drainage/sneezing is a big problem for you but I believe that it is not strictly a matter of using the wrong mask and changing the mask could make things worse. You are being told cpap is drying you out. Would you have described it this way before you were told that? Does your nose feel dry (or crusty) upon arising? Is your throat dry or sore? Is your machine a clean, new one or a used rental? Does your machine have clean filters? Wh (I at climate are you in? Humid or dry? Does the heat or air conditioner run a lot? What do your AHIs and leak look like?

Regards,
Thanks, Rooster. I've never seen a site with so many people willing to help total strangers and spend so much time doing it. Just amazing.

OK, thanks for the info on the full face mask. I"ll keep trying until I find one, hopefully, that isn't so tight before the cpap is activated.

Regarding the mouth breather mask, do you think it likely or even possible that if I start breathing thru my nose that I wouldn't awaken? Let me tell you that my numbers were apparently pretty severe, ie., 242 incident of stopping breathing during a 6 and 1/2 hour sleep, max occurence of 163 seconds without breathing, and my blood oxygen fell to 49%, during the 163 second episode noted. (I know, they should have done something way before I got to this point, but I survived it.) I am on 16 pressure with 2 liters, or whatever, of O2.

On the type of mask, the thinking is, I guess, that if all the pressure isn't going thru/over my nasal passages that the resulting syptoms won't be as severe. No, my nose isn't really "crusty", just feels itchy and wide open. No throat problems. Humid climate, normally. New machine. Yes, I clean the filters diligently. AHIs? I don't understand. No leakage problems. I've gone from heat to AC by now, Aug, to Jan., and reallly don''t know how to answer that. Not much differnce regardless of which is "on".

Thanks, again. Really appreciate it.
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Re: New CPAP user can't stop sneezing. Help!

Post by roster » Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:01 pm

-I am skeptical about the drying effect of cpap causing the allergy symptoms but I don't have an answer.

-Typically FF masks are used by those of us who breathe or leak through the mouth for parts or all of the night. Nasal masks are smaller and typically more comfortable that FF mask. Therefore if you are fortunate enought not to be a mouth breather/leaker, then you should stick with nasal masks. I would hate to see you retrain to mouth breath when it might not solve your allergy symptoms.

-Definition of AHI is here: http://www.piedmontsleepcenter.com/defi ... _terms.php

-Do you know how to read, intepret and clear the data from your machine each day? Are you interested in buying a card reader and Encore Viewer software? ( See https://www.cpap.com/productpage-bundle.php?BundleID=64 )

-To ensure that CPAP therapy is effective, monitoring of apneas, hypopneas and leaks is recommended. This can be done off the screen of your machine but most of us prefer to use the software.
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Re: New CPAP user can't stop sneezing. Help!

Post by stevef1007 » Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:30 am

rooster wrote:-I am skeptical about the drying effect of cpap causing the allergy symptoms but I don't have an answer.

-Typically FF masks are used by those of us who breathe or leak through the mouth for parts or all of the night. Nasal masks are smaller and typically more comfortable that FF mask. Therefore if you are fortunate enought not to be a mouth breather/leaker, then you should stick with nasal masks. I would hate to see you retrain to mouth breath when it might not solve your allergy symptoms.

-Definition of AHI is here: http://www.piedmontsleepcenter.com/defi ... _terms.php

-Do you know how to read, intepret and clear the data from your machine each day? Are you interested in buying a card reader and Encore Viewer software? ( See https://www.cpap.com/productpage-bundle.php?BundleID=64 )

-To ensure that CPAP therapy is effective, monitoring of apneas, hypopneas and leaks is recommended. This can be done off the screen of your machine but most of us prefer to use the software.
I'm not sure I'm really a nose breather yet I mean, I do the best I can but I do have a little problem at first with old habits taking over and keeping me awake, even with the ramp feature, and I know my sleep is disturbed a few times a night because I revert to mouth breathing. As far as the allergy symptoms, although not gone by any means, since I"ve turned my humidifier up from 2 to 5 and started doing a saline spray immediately upon taking off my mask the severity of the symptoms seem to be far less. I've also been prescribed Atrovent (?), which I can use up to 4 times a day as needed, two sprays each nostril, which is suppose to help with the runny nose, but not the sneezing, and that seems to help. Plus, I'm using Nasonex. The biggest "issue" I have is how do I know between the cranked up humidifier, the saline spray, the Atrovent and the Nasonex, what is helping and what is not really having any positive effect?

No, I don't look at the data. My DME does that every 90 days and gives me the results. In my second 90 day period now and will end around 2/1. First readings, around Nov. 1st, were very good.

Thanks again for the help.
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Re: New CPAP user can't stop sneezing. Help!

Post by jmccune@bowlesrice.com » Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:35 pm

If you are sneezing and sniffling, the water in the CPAP is too cold. If the setting is on 2 or 3, turn it up to 4 or 5.

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Re: New CPAP user can't stop sneezing. Help!

Post by chunkyfrog » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:01 pm

Most humidifiers sold today are heated; so cold water is not an issue.
Sneezing is usually caused by an irritant or an allergy.
A saline nasal rinse is the simplest solution.

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Re: New CPAP user can't stop sneezing. Help!

Post by DeadlySleep » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:03 pm

jmccune@bowlesrice.com wrote:If you are sneezing and sniffling, the water in the CPAP is too cold. If the setting is on 2 or 3, turn it up to 4 or 5.

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Re: New CPAP user can't stop sneezing. Help!

Post by chunkyfrog » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:19 pm

--and posted . . . TODAY! It's a miracle!

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Re: New CPAP user can't stop sneezing. Help!

Post by ChicagoGranny » Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:12 pm

If she did, someone deleted her post.
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Another New CPAP user can't stop sneezing. Help!

Post by Charlo » Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:37 am

I am another sneezing new cpap user and see that , sure enough, other cpap users are sneezing! I have one more 4 hr trial after tonight to make 20 continuous 4 hr days of use (much of it while awake) to ensure medicare coverage for the cpap. Has anyone just tried an O2 concentrator for low saturation instead of the noisy cpap? Or found physical therapy that helps prevent obstruction? I feel worse from either sneezing, increased lack of sleep or medication hang overs from sensitivity . In the early morning my dear husband resets the noisly reved up 'smart ' phillips cpap 3-4 times so I can get a few winks since the auto pressure reset does not work and the tech has no solutions. Regardless that the SD card says my apnea is down to below 7 from 47 per hr, does anyone else feel like the whole process is just a giant hoax? I am feeling like I will not make it through the sleep deprevation of the stages of my adjustment!

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Re: New CPAP user can't stop sneezing. Help!

Post by Pugsy » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:32 am

Charlo wrote:sure enough, other cpap users are sneezing!
The sneezing and /or congestion, runny nose, itchy nose..all typical allergy like symptoms are caused by the nasal mucosa having a problem with the humidity that is being delivered.

So if you aren't using a humidifier...get one.
If you are using a humidifier and a relatively low setting...increase it.
If you are using a humidifier at a relative high setting ...decrease it.
If you are using a setting of 3...toss a coin.

Humidity needs to keep the nose happy will vary with people. Some need more moisture and some need less moisture and it is something you just have to trial and error it on your own to figure out what your nose needs to be happy.

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Re: New CPAP user can't stop sneezing. Help!

Post by DAV » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:05 pm

I have the same problem. I currently have my humidifier set at 4.5 and the heated tube set at 76. I tried settings at 4 up to 6 and nothing changes. If I go lower than 4 my nose gets really dry. I'm currently using a Pap Tap mask. I use the saline spray but that doesn't give much relief. I can go days with out any problems and than I can go days with the problem. Yes I do keep my equipment clean, change filters and use distilled water. I even tried changing my humidifier tanks daily. I was a hose head for over a year before these problems started. My AHI is always around 1.7 to 2.7.