It was bound to happen

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It was bound to happen

Post by Guest » Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:09 pm

I've been preaching for years that this was bound to happen. The BRPT has been dragging it's feet on many issues, from Certification to State Licensing and now Sleep Techs are getting caught in the crossfire.

http://www.sleepreviewmag.com/sleep_rep ... -29_01.asp

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Re: It was bound to happen

Post by congahands » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:00 pm

Sounds like this is what happenned. The registered RT's want more money, so they got the legislature to enact this law, to "help public safety". So now people will not be getting the studies they need in as timely a manner as they were, and some people will probably die waiting for their studies. Of less importance, is the fact that RT's will automatically become more scarce, and earn more, thus raising the cost of the studies, and putting more pressure on the insurance companies to demand more expensive documentation before they pay for a study.

The doctirne of unintended consequences strikes again!!!!

Socialized medicine will be the death of us all. Logan's Run, here we come.

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Re: It was bound to happen

Post by Snoredog » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:35 pm

LOL what a joke, State of California cannot figure out how to pay its own light bill much less enforce this. They probably have 1 enforcer for the whole state of 30 million and he is making federal minimum wage during any budget negotiation. That should motivate them to crack the whip.

This can be compared to the State Contractors License board, they like to call the Sacramento TV news when ever they go pop 2 houses worth of carpenters, the only reason they are doing that is to make sure the State is getting its share of workmans comp and taxes. Two blocks over there are 2 other Contractors working with a dozen illegal aliens doing the work for cash.

But the fact remains, an RT will send a patient out with an autopap set at factory default settings. As patients, we have to pay for that licensed care requirement and all that does is jack up the already ridiculous cost of our healthcare.
Schwarzenegger Vetoes Sleep Legislation

A veto from Gov Arnold Schwarzenegger ended the life of a California bill that would have established a licensing system and a criminal records check for sleep technologists in the state.

“The historic delay in passing the 2008-2009 State Budget has forced me to prioritize the bills sent to my desk at the end of the year’s legislative session. Given the delay, I am only signing bills that are the highest priority for California. This bill does not meet that standard, and I cannot sign it at this time,” Schwarzenegger writes in his veto message to the members of the California State Senate.

The California Sleep Society (CSS) released a memo to all California members in reaction to the veto. “The bill received strong bipartisan support, demonstrated in the fact that SB 1526 passed the Assembly with a 67-10 vote. The veto of the bill was unrelated to the merits of the legislation; it was vetoed by the Governor solely for political reasons,” the memo states.

Both the Respiratory Care Board of California and the California Sleep Society have noted that they will continue to support future legislation of this nature.

“The Respiratory Care Board of California did support SB 1526, and we’re sorry to see the bill fail,” says Stephanie Nunez, executive officer of the Respiratory Care Board of California. “While it is too early to discuss any future legislative moves, the Board continues to generally support efforts to regulate sleep technicians, specifically as it relates to the competent practice of respiratory care.”

A CSS memo echoed the comments from Nunez: “The California Sleep Society Board of Directors, along with the AASM and the AAST, will be working on alternative courses of action in order to work toward the passage of this legislation. If the members of the legislature make the decision to return to Sacramento for a veto session, there is still a change that the measure will be enacted this year over the Governor’s veto.”


All this means to the patient if that bill gets overridden is more of the Nazi control the AASM promotes.
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Re: It was bound to happen

Post by roster » Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:35 pm

We are famous for restricting commerce and liberty. Here is a case that is often cited as an example.
Hair-brained politics
Braiding is an age-old tradition in the African-American community, but California cosmetology regulators are cracking down.

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By Lee Hubbard

Sept. 13, 1999 | On July 1, 1998, a pair of undercover police officers posing as husband and wife walked into Braids by Sabrina, a small shop in Compton, Calif. After the store's proprietor, 29-year-old hair braider Sabrina Reece, spent five hours braiding the woman's hair, the male officer handed her $150 for his "wife's" new hairstyle.

The woman excused herself to use the bathroom and came back out wearing a jacket emblazoned with POLICE on the back and a pistol on her hip. At first Reece didn't pay her any mind; black policewomen get their hair braided too. But the next thing she knew, a third police officer came barging in from outside the store, barking orders at her.

"The officer came into my shop and told me to sign a piece of paper, or he was going to arrest me," says Reece, who reluctantly signed the ticket, which ordered her to appear in court. She was caught in a hair sting. She was fined $1,000 by the state cosmetology board for violating the law. The Department of Consumer Affairs says that hair braiding in California is illegal unless a practitioner has a cosmetology license, which Reece doesn't have.

"According to the law, any type of treatment of the hair for pay requires a license," says Consumer Affairs spokeswoman Nancy Hardaker. But the problem with California's stance is that braiding isn't taught in cosmetology school. It isn't even on the state cosmetology test. Cosmetology licenses require 1,600 hours of schooling and may cost as much as $9,000, of which a hefty share goes to the state cosmetology board.

But hair braiders have argued they should be exempt from the onerous licensing requirements. The politics of hair braiding has reached as far as the California Legislature, emerging as an issue of governmental bureaucracy and regulation vs. cultural tradition. The issues stalled in the legislative process this year, but will be resurrected when the Legislature reconvenes in January.

While the political hoopla may be new, hair braiding is an ancient tradition that can be traced back to Africa and has been handed down from generation to generation. Hair braiding weaves existing hair or fake hair into strands of hair, similar to dreadlocks that can be worn down or in various other styles. Although this process can take hours, black women are attracted to braided hair because it lets them wear their natural hair, and it protects them from chemicals that can damage the texture of African-American hair.

Reece began braiding out of the kitchen of her house when she was in high school, and soon became known as one of the best in the area. Braiding hair is big business, and Reece's emerging reputation became lucrative. Hair braiders can charge anywhere from $75 to $250 to braid a head. Reece eventually opened two small shops -- both called Braids by Sabrina.

As business boomed, she began to attract the attention of women within the black community in L.A. She also attracted the attention of state regulators, culminating in the sting last July for practicing without a cosmetology license. Cosmetology involves the use of chemicals in hair, which is the primary reason the state licenses cosmetologists. Hair braiders argue that licensing doesn't make sense for them since they don't use chemicals.

Hair braiders say that the curriculum for cosmetology schools doesn't even address braiding, and call it "a waste of time. I went to cosmetology school for 1,600 hours and paid over $6,000 and they didn't teach one thing about braiding," says Sheron Campbell, a licensed cosmetologist and owner of World of Braids in Oakland. "I don't see how the state can enforce something they don't teach."

"It is ridiculous that the state is trying to regulate an act of culture," says Stacy Pyles, director of "Combing Out the Kinks," a film about hairstyling among black women. "Hair braiding is a cultural bond that is taught between mothers and daughters, aunts and nieces."

But according to Taalib-din Uqdah of the American Hairbraiders and Natural Hair Care Association (AHNHA), laws regulating hair braiders are prevalent across the country.

"At least 46 states and all the U.S. territories have onerous laws and rules that make criminals out of African-style hair braiders," says Uqdah, who travels the country fighting hair-braiding legislation.

"These state boards of hair are controlled by a cosmetology cartel that wants to control every aspect of hair."

Uqdah says the laws create an unnecessary hurdle for African-American entrepreneurs, particularly in the era of welfare reform, with more people moving into the workplace. He called the laws a "restriction (of) the economic freedom of people trying to make use of a valued skill."

After some intensive lobbying in Sacramento, Uqdah was excited about the possibility of passing legislation that could save hair braiders from the "hair police." Two bills currently pending in the Legislature would allow hair braiders to work without having to get a cosmetology license.

One of the bills was sponsored by Sen. Ray Haynes, a Republican from Riverside. The other was sponsored by Assemblywoman Carole Migden of San Francisco. Both bills have stalled temporarily in the legislative process.

But a legislative solution may be moot. Last month a U.S. District Court in Southern California found against the state and in favor of Joanne Cornwell, a San Diego braider, who challenged the constitutionality of the cosmetology requirement.

"It is irrational to require Cornwell to comply with the regulatory framework," the court ruling stated. The federal judge declared that California's cosmetology laws regarding hair braiders wouldn't "pass constitutional muster," and that they rest on grounds "wholly irrelevant to the achievement of the state's objectives."

"This ruling is about more than hair braiders," says Miranda Perry, a staff attorney for the Institute for Justice, a Washington nonprofit law firm that represented Cornwell.

"Approximately 500 occupations have some type of licensing scheme. This ruling is important to all type of entrepreneurs across the country because it makes it harder for the state to pass arbitrary regulations that prevent them from making an honest living."

Consumer Affairs is pondering its next step. "We got word on the interim decision, and we are reviewing the decision," says Hardaker.

Hair braiders are also wondering what's next.

"The ruling nullifies the laws in regards to Joanne Cornwell and people situated like her, but I need to see how it plays out," says Uqdah.

While the ruling could set legal precedent across the country, as the law stands now, braiding for profit in California is still against the law without a cosmetology license.

"As many crimes that are being committed, it appalls me that they would go to such lengths to set me up the way that they did," Reece says. "I assume they would rather me strip for a living."
salon.com | Sept. 13, 1999
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Re: It was bound to happen

Post by Goofproof » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:19 pm

Some things need restrictions...
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Re: It was bound to happen

Post by Snoredog » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:56 pm

Goofproof wrote:Some things need restrictions...
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Re: It was bound to happen

Post by Slinky » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:39 am

And they think there are enough RTs around to assist in conducting a PSG and titration??? Hell's belles, there aren't enough RTs around that know their fanny from a hole in the ground about our xPAPs - even when the Clinicians Manual is included w/the xPAP all far too many RTs are interested in is the Quick SetUp Guide!!! So now, the labs and clinics need to have both RPSGTs "and" RTs on hand for every sleep evaluation and titration? Or at least that is the goal?? Sheesh! Talk about feather-bedding!!!

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