Rescan software and doctors

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Re: Rescan software and doctors

Post by dsm » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:10 pm

Arizona-Willie wrote:The Rescan software is terrible .. especially compared to the software from Respironics and other companies.

I can't believe sleep doctors are not complaining to Resmed about this terrible excuse for software.

Or, does Resmed give doctors better software? Is Rescan just some trash they released to the public to shut us up?


You might think so but I can get vastly more granular detail from a ResScan report that I can from any of myEncore Pro reports. I am left wondering how you can make such a statement ?.

Perhaps the way ResScan works is annoying as it is complex while EncorePro is very simple. But that simplicity means dumbed down data vs the minute by minute analysis I can do on ResScan data.

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Re: Rescan software and doctors

Post by jnk » Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:05 am

dsm wrote:. . . I can get vastly more granular detail from a ResScan report that I can from any of myEncore Pro reports. . . .
DSM,

You may want to keep in mind that whenever people on this board say "ResScan," they generally mean "ResScan without a ResLink module." Whenever you reply to them with a statement that only applies to "ResScan used with a ResLink module," I believe you may inadvertantly be confusing people when you don't explain the fact that you get information unavailable to ResScan users without the ResLink module. Just my opinion.

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Re: Rescan software and doctors

Post by packitin » Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:30 am

I've been frustrated with the software, too. I print out my summary and take it to the doc.
For example the "File" menu doesn't have an option to print, as most software. (You have to hit "Ctrl P").
Also, why does it bring up the (empty) months such as Apr - May-- etc. of 2009 that take up space when those are obviously blank?
Don't get me started. Very archaic. Needs to be totally overhauled.
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Re: Rescan software and doctors

Post by 5aces » Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:41 am

When I presented a ResScan 3.7 data compilation to the Respirology Specialist(MD) at the Sleep Clinic,she remarked that the information was similar to what she would be looking at from their lab.

Of course they used a ResMed VPAP to do their studies.
Good point,JNK,about the ResMed ResLink adapter and Embla Oximeter that connects to the ResLink,generally cost prohibitive to most consumers,providing a much more comprehensive snapshot of events.

Given that the ResMed software is designed for Clinical Data Management(more than one patient),it is somewhat cumbersome to navigate through the steps.

From the appointments I have attended,the most pertinent data seems to be the AHI index,followed by Sleep Fragmentation and Compliance(in terms of what I was bringing to the table).
Naturally,without having captured said data in a qualified sleep lab,there is a knock against self captured data acccuracy and authenticity.

While my own home data illustrated my specific case,it certainly is not the definitve test result.(kind of like presenting your own bloodwork)
ResScan 3.7 is good enough to point the way to further investigation/analysis of your symptoms and has worked for me.
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Re: Rescan software and doctors

Post by Slinky » Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:58 am

Say what, PackItIn? What version are you using? If you select Report in the top tool bar (you can also customize what you want in the report) it is a simple matter to select Print which even gives you a Print Review to select which pages you want to print if you don't want to print the entire report. I've never had it bring up "empty months". I can even select the time period I want to create the report for w/the Viewing Range option (top left).

I'm working w/ResScan 3.7 now but have used 3.3 and 3.4 in the past and started w/AutoScan 5.7 Actually, 'puters and I have never really been on particularly friendly terms and learning new software is FAR from my favorite endeavor yet I was able to install AutoScan and ResScan 3.4 myself and use each of them on first try!!! THAT in itself is an accomplishment!

And S8 ResLink's only "effect" on ResScan applies only to "Detailed Data". The Resmed data card is limited on Detailed Data whereas the ResLink SmartMedia card can collect Detailed Data. At least in my experience so far and I do suspect that I haven't explored all the capabilities of ResScan and ResLink.

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Re: Rescan software and doctors

Post by 5aces » Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:56 am

Hi Slinky!

As I post this,I am looking at an"All Available Data" printout from a ResLink with an Oximeter/Pulse attatchment on it.
These items I might add were provided to me on trial from an outstanding DME supplier servicing my area.

Also I have a an "All Available Data" printout from a ResScan Data Card WITHOUT the above options.

ADDITIONAL information is as follows(for those who are interested):

>OXIMETRY STATISTICS
-Sp02 and Pulse Rate(bpm)

>DETAILED GRAPHS
-Minute Ventilation
-Sp02
-Pulse Rate
-Snore Index
-Flattening Index
Also of note are the 'Pressure' and 'Leak' graphs,which are presented in more detail. That's All Folks!
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Re: Rescan software and doctors

Post by kebsa » Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:06 am

i am about to buy the rescan software as my machine does not use a memory card, they use a null modem cable to connect the machine directly to the computer to down load data- it means that i have do take the whole machine in for data reviews and the resmed vpap adapt sv enhanced, it not a lightweight to drag around- so i want the software mainly because i can get the data first and then email it in instead.

i have noticed when ever i have taken the machine in so far, they have not been able to do a down load without encountering error messages- i have not been able to see the nature of the error message but it does seem strange that the software is so touchy. never the less, it is the software that goes with the resmed machines so there is not much choice, i am happy with the machine so can only hope that eventually resmend will sought out the software too. i know i can access a lot of the data on the lcd screen and that is pretty good but obviously the software gives more. i am surprised that they still use a serial port and a null modem cable in this machine rather than a usb or samrt card, in such a sophisticated machine that seems like a strange design choice- i know the reslink module is another option but that is probably quite expensive and i a still recovery from the $4500 price of the machine!

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Re: Rescan software and doctors

Post by tattooyu » Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:08 am

I agree that the ResScan software does need an overhaul, but I do find it useful, especially to be able to see if leak events correlate with apnea events. It is frustrating to not be able to set some defaults (All Available Data is the most annoying), but it's only one or two extra clicks. No biggie.

I do wish it would have the ability:
  • To show hypopnea duration
  • To show events that were prevented
  • Resize (vertically) individual tracks of data, i.e., only the Pressure track in the navigation section.
Never heard of ResLink. What is it? Is it expensive?
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Re: Rescan software and doctors

Post by Velbor » Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:51 pm

The level of misunderstanding and misrepresentation (whether due to ignorance or bias) in these discussions is appalling. Let’s deal with facts:

STATISTICS (available daily, and for consecutive date ranges):

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While most information is on the “Daily Details” page,
Note 1: this appears on “Long Term Trend” page near the beginning.
Note 2: this appears on “Therapy Data Summary - All Data” page at end.
Note 3: you could add up the daily minutes at each pressure, but the total is not provided.

Encore Viewer divides its statistical information onto separate “nightly” and “multiple consecutive night” report pages. For the data items marked by notes 1 and 2, nightly information is available only if the report is run for just a single day.

The Encore Viewer also provides utilization time and index information, broken down by pressure level categories (from 4 to 20), which can provide very interesting and useful information. (Its title, "Daily Events Per Hour", though, is misleading.)

The absence of Flow Limitation (or “flattening”) and snore information from ResScan is unfortunate, since ResMed sensors do recognize this information (and the AutoPAP algorithm responds to it, and it is reported when the ResLink attachment is used), but it is not reported.

The Encore Viewer distinction between “obstructive” and “non-responsive” apneas is a reflection of the algorithm operations and assumptions, rather than a “reporting software” issue: Respironics will increase pressure twice in response to an apnea; if it resolves than it was (in retrospect) an obstructive apnea; otherwise it was (in retrospect) a “non-responsive” (read, “possibly central”) apnea, and pressure is reduced. ResMed bypasses this matter by not responding to apneas (in the absence of flattening or vibratory snore) when pressure is over 10cm.

GRAPHICS

Both software packages display nightly pressure and leak rate as a continuous graph, though the presentations differ slightly. The ResScan software, in addition, allows expansion of the time axis, permitting examination of detail up to minute-by minute values.

The Encore Viewer displays a “tick mark” for each occurrence of each of the six event types for which it provides indices. ResScan displays the duration of apneas in both analog (by the length of the graph bar) and digital (by the number of seconds in a box at the top of each bar) format. Contrary to the interpretation by some, Encore Viewer does NOT display the duration of each event; bars of repeated “ticks” display repeated occurrences which may or may not be continuous. Encore Viewer does not display duration of apneas. Neither program displays duration of hypopneas (and given each system’s technical definition of “hypopnea”, the notion of “duration” may hardly be meaningful.) While ResScan does not display hypopneas as such, each “rise” in the AHI graph line does in fact indicate the occurrence of a hypopnea (or an apnea), and with practice can be easily read as such.

DATA AVAILABILITY

ResMed did a great disservice to everyone (users and clinicians) when it eliminated the capability of “exporting” into Excel minute-by-minute detail data from its AutoScan software when it was replaced by the current ResScan software. While it re-introduced some limited export function into version 3.7, there remains no useful access to the underlying data. Further, I am aware of no mechanism for retrieving the underlying data from either the ResScan card nor from the ResScan stored data files.

Unlike the Respironics Encore Pro software, which used a SQL database (which is so well utilized by James Skinner in his Encore Pro Analyzer add-on), the Encore Viewer stores its data in unreadable .bin files located in C:\Documents and Settings\”your computer name”\Application Data\Respironics\EncoreViewer\Data. There are three primary files: EncoreViewer.bin (which is recreated each time the program is used), Patient1.bin (which identifies each user to distinguish between multiple users), and “gobbledygook”.bin (which contains the cumulative downloaded data). I am not aware of any way to access these files outside the program. HOWEVER, each time the EncoreViewer runs a report, a decodedSC.xml”1234567”.xml file is left in C:\Neo\SCDecodedFiles. (The program does not clean up after itself, and these files proliferate.) These files ARE readable and, with some manipulation, can be moved into Excel, useful sections isolated, and every-30-seconds data for pressure and leak can be extracted. Times, but NOT durations, of apneas can also be extracted. This process, however, is quite labor-intensive, and I do not generally find it worth the bother. Games can be played with copying and/or renaming and/or archiving both the .bin and the .xml files.


In summary, neither software package is ideal, and each has some functionality which the other lacks. Depending on what you wish to do with the data, the differences may be trivial, or critical. I strongly suspect that for most users, the differences are trivial. To criticize either generally as significantly “deficient” with respect to the other reflects little thoughtful analysis, probably little experience working with both system, and an overdose of personal preference raised to unjustified levels.

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Re: Rescan software and doctors

Post by Slinky » Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:48 pm

Thank you, Velbor. Well done!

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Re: Rescan software and doctors

Post by billbolton » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:19 pm

tattooyu wrote:Resize (vertically) individual tracks of data, i.e., only the Pressure track in the navigation section.
The scale of each display graph can be easily set from the Tools + Options menu selection.

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Re: Rescan software and doctors

Post by dclempa » Thu May 07, 2009 4:03 pm

Thanks Goofproff for the info.

Are there any side effects of a cpap? My machine is set for 18 lbs. of pressure by the
sleep doctor. Since I started using this ResMed Elite II, I have been feeling dizzy?
I have been using the machine for about two months.
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Re: Rescan software and doctors

Post by Goofproof » Thu May 07, 2009 11:02 pm

dclempa wrote:Thanks Goofproff for the info.

Are there any side effects of a cpap? My machine is set for 18 lbs. of pressure by the
sleep doctor. Since I started using this ResMed Elite II, I have been feeling dizzy?
I have been using the machine for about two months.
Thanks Dennis
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Re: Rescan software and doctors

Post by asarayrah » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:07 am

Hi, I have problem with my smartmedia card, I formated by mistake, and then the machine doesn't detectter the card after formating.

So, please help me.

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Re: Rescan software and doctors

Post by ozij » Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:16 am

dclempa wrote:Thanks Goofproff for the info.

Are there any side effects of a cpap? My machine is set for 18 lbs. of pressure by the
sleep doctor. Since I started using this ResMed Elite II, I have been feeling dizzy?
I have been using the machine for about two months.
Thanks Dennis
xPAP therapy sometimes improves your BP, and if you take BP lowering medication, your dosage from before cpap may be too high now. If that's relevant for you, Dennis, check your BP and discuss the dose with the doctor.

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