As I lay myself down to sleep....

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Re: As I lay myself down to sleep....

Post by sleepydoll » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:31 pm

lovey wrote:Just wanted to give an update...
So, I am relieved that this ordeal will hopefully be coming to an end soon. Thanks for your support, Lovey
Boy, quite an ordeal indeed!
I'm really glad to read that everything is starting to fall slowly into place... I'm always amazed on how one has to go through so much stress and pain to get the medical attention one needs!

Please keep on making yourself heard!
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Re: As I lay myself down to sleep....

Post by lovey » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:30 pm

Another update... I finally received the oximetry report.
Some of the stats:
Lowest sp02: 74%
Percent of time below 90%: 23.5%
Longest desaturation of less than 88%: 9 mins. 56 seconds.
Greatest deviation: 97% to 83% in 1 min. 50 seconds.
Time sp02 was between 80-90% -- 1 hr. 56 min.

Gee, Houston, I think we have a problem. This was with my bipap on!!! So I was very justified about having a phobia about going to sleep, and then ending up in the ER on Friday night with an anxiety attack. At least now I have proof that I am not imagining things. I also have justification to be angry that nobody did anything, even with their offices getting the results.

Hopefully, they will do something tomorrow!!! Thanks, Lovey
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Re: As I lay myself down to sleep....

Post by lovey » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:11 am

My newly developed sleep phobia is kicking in again tonight. If I was confident that I wouldn't be desaturating, even down to 74% oxygen, maybe I wouldn't try to stay awake all the time. I took some rozerum a few minutes ago, so maybe that will kick in soon. Any late night lurkers out there???
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Re: As I lay myself down to sleep....

Post by DreamDiver » Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:25 am

Hi Lovey,

Thought I'd sit momentarily as company in the middle of the night.
Actually I'm not able to sleep tonight either. The economy and
other 'disturbances in the force' have my 'mental gerbil' on its 'little wheel'.

I'm sorry you've had so many problems with 02 desats, but I'm glad you're
getting it figured out. The important part is to believe in yourself.

It may be that after 2.5 years, your BiPAP is not working correctly.
Have you considered having that checked out?
It may be putting out the wrong pressure, or maybe losing weight has
changed your needs. Maybe the motor bearings are shot. Just a thought.

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Re: As I lay myself down to sleep....

Post by lovey » Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:24 am

I think many people are up not sleeping tonight about the economy. I have had to limit the amount of news I watch right now because I was getting so weirded out about my and everybody's future.

The bipap is 13 months old. I had just a cpap before that. The guy at the sleep lab also thought that, and I am going to the DME this morning to have it checked out. However, I think it is fine. Part of the oximetry test shows that for hours I was saturated at 98-100%. It was about 3 hours overall that I went "nuts". That makes me think that there is another underlying problem causing me to desat. The mask, etc., was tight all night with no major leaks to my knowledge.

While I am at the DME's I am going to ask to get an oximeter with alarm. It would be a temporary solution to wake me up when I am destating. I improved greatly after waking up to go to the bathroom and there was a break.
Thanks, Lovey
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Re: As I lay myself down to sleep....

Post by echo » Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:47 am

Yowser!!!! See, it pays off to listen to our own bodies! THEY may THINK it's ALL IN OUR HEADS, but we know better, eh?

Lovey, you might want to sleep in a recliner, or in a slightly sitting up position, to see if that helps (for the time being). I don't know if this was already mentioned - but perhaps your apnea's are positional and you are spending a lot of time on your back, which makes the apneas worse? Sorry if you already addressed this and I missed it.

It does however sound like something (else?) is going on. I hope you continue to push them into action, and continue to have faith in yourself.

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Re: As I lay myself down to sleep....

Post by Babette » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:46 am

Gosh Lovey, I feel so bad for you!!! If I was there, I'd be getting every one of your providers on the phone and screaming my head off at them!!!

I hope you found some relief. When I was too sick to sleep last winter (lung infection) I would prop myself up on the futon in a semi-reclining position, and then try to doze in front of the TV. It would work sporadically. If you don't have a recliner chair, that might be an option for you - propping yourself up in a semi-recline, and then turning on some TV or reading or something until you just doze off.

DreamDiver, my BF is having horrible sleep lately because of the economy. He was so bad Friday night, he decided to just go home and sleep alone. He passed on s*x. That's a very worried man.

Huggers to all,
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Re: As I lay myself down to sleep....

Post by lovey » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:48 pm

While I made progress today, I would like to scream a few choice words to my doctors. First, I went to the DME, across the state border in South Bend, IN. The respiratory therapist was great, and talked to me for over an hour. He said a pulse oximeter with an alarm wouldn't work, because I destaturated 40 times, so that would mean 40 alarms per night. He felt I needed oxygen through my full face mask until the sleep study was done. He gave me my 6 months supplies and he also checked the machine out and it worked fine. He spent a long time going over the oximetry reports, and concluded I was destating badly while sleeping, because my pulse would remain low. He looked at everything in that test, and was very interested. He also explained my options as far as apap, data capable machines, etc. in relation to my insurance and Medicaid.

Next, back over the state line to Michigan, and I stopped off at my family practice doctor to update him. Of course, he wasn't in. I wrote a note. The office was ignored me for minutes, and acted like I was a pain the whole time I was there. I wanted to scream at them that maybe some people around here have serious conditions that might need a doctor's attention, not their office staff knowledge. But I didn't. Heaven forbid, they would have to put another note on the doctor's desk.

I went next door to the bariatric surgeon's office. Good news--I lost 5 more lbs. Bad news, after telling the case manager, she was sure the bariatric surgeon and the anesthiologist would not want to do lap-band surgery with these oximetry results. They thought also I should have blood tests for such things as electrocytes. They are going to get back to me on that. They asked the sleep doctor to call them or send reports.

So, from there, I drive 130 miles up to Grand Rapids, MI to see the sleep doc's nurse practicioner. I told her about how I had been trying for a month to get their attention, but was always thwarted by medical assistants. She didn't apologize or anything. After looking at my oximetry test results, she decided to talk to the sleep doc. She was gone for less than 5 minutes. She came back and said that the doctor wanted me to know that he didn't take much stock in the overnight oximetry tests and he said that I should have a sleep study as soon as possible (I came all this way to hear that I need a sleep study...duh!). I told the nurse practitioner that it probably would be 3-4 weeks, and I was worried about destating until then, and that the respiratory therapist thought that I should have oxygen temporarily until them. The NP said "we don't want to get you on the road to being on oxygen yet". ???? I asked if I should change the pressures on the bipap and she said no, that I should do okay as they are. Then she took down the compliance data from my bipap, i.e. number of hours a day, etc. She listened to my chest and heart. Then she sent me off.

About 1/2 hour later, I am on the road back and my cell phone rings. It is the guy from the sleep lab in my town. There has been a cancellation for tonight, and was thinking he could put me in! We ended up though not doing it, because we are not sure if I need a pre-authorization with my insurance or Medicaid. We set up the sleep study for Nov. 10th.

From there, I drove an extra 20 miles out of my way to go to a Halloween party this evening. I won funniest costume for my scarecrow costume!!

I am glad the sleep center doc has "taken over", but his office should have done something a month ago when this all began. And I am not happy that I am just supposed to wait this out until the sleep study is done. Who knows how much damage is happening while doing so. I just want to scream!!!! Anyways, any helpful advice??? Thanks.
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Re: As I lay myself down to sleep....

Post by MichelleFL » Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:05 pm

Hello Lovey, no advice here just sympathy.. It's midnight here and I am still wide awake, good thing I don't go to work tomorrow until 3pm! hehe How am I ever going to get into good sleep hygiene after I get my machine is beyond me. Sounds like you had a really rough day but it seems like in some areas it's going to work out for you.. Good job on winning funniest costume! I would fire your doctor if that was me. But you might be restricted to who is in your area. But like I said before I am on my 4th doctor here in Florida and hopefully my last one..
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Re: As I lay myself down to sleep....

Post by echo » Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:16 am

hi lovey - wow you sure are getting the drive around. What a nightmare.

As for the damage - well I was thinking the same thing to myself the other, how much damage much I have been causing myself every night? Well one way to look at it is that it's a lot, but another way to see it is that it takes some time for all the bad stuff to build up. Our bodies are pretty resilient.. and though I don't know your age or your particular condition, I would try to 'think positive' if I were you. You are doing the best you can, and that means you are now giving the best treatment you can for yourself. Even if the bipap isn't working 100%, even if you're still desaturating a lot, probably you're still better off with some treatment than with none. So do what you can to get through the next week until your appointment on the 10th, and I would take all the help you can get in the meantime... like that offer of O2... may help... but what do I know.

Have you also looked into an AWAKE group in your area? http://www.sleepapnea.org/awake/index.html

Edit: that first line should have read "run around" but I was thinking of you driving around the whole time, so my subconscience wrote that instead
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Re: As I lay myself down to sleep....

Post by lovey » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:56 am

More drama today, but also good. The local sleep lab has another cancellation for tonight. And they have insurance approval!! So my sleep study is tonight!!!!!!! Woo hoo!!!!! Thanks for all the support so far., Lovey
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Re: As I lay myself down to sleep....

Post by DreamDiver » Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:10 am

Good luck lovey,

We're rooting for you.

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Re: As I lay myself down to sleep....

Post by Babette » Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:57 am

YAY LOVEY!!!!!!

Best of luck!!!!!
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Re: As I lay myself down to sleep....

Post by echo » Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:04 am

Happy sleeping tonight! And make SURE you sleep!!!!
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Re: As I lay myself down to sleep....

Post by roster » Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:16 pm

lovey wrote:More drama today, but also good. The local sleep lab has another cancellation for tonight. And they have insurance approval!! So my sleep study is tonight!!!!!!! Woo hoo!!!!! Thanks for all the support so far., Lovey
Finally some good news. Thank you. To hell with the economy for awhile.
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