No Sympathy

Billy6 · Post by **Billy6** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:09 am

I was complaining last night at dinner about having to wear my new contraption, and my 19 year old started laughing. He said it was karma payback for the 2 years of making him wear the wire headgear his orthodontist fit him with, and that I'd get no sympathy for the next 2 years. He's right, the only thing I get form him are his tuition bills and empty gas tanks.

kteague · Post by **kteague** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:20 am

I like your son's sense of humor. Got to admit that was a good one. If you ever get to a point in life where he has to assist you with life's daily duties, you can get him back...

Kathy

DreamDiver · Post by **DreamDiver** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:29 am

kteague wrote:If you ever get to a point in life where he has to assist you with life's daily duties, you can get him back...

I think of a bumpersticker I saw relating to this:
"My Karma Ran Over My Dogma"
Talk about cruel twists of fate...

RafterRattler · Post by **RafterRattler** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:00 am

Billy6 wrote:I was complaining last night at dinner about having to wear my new contraption, and my 19 year old started laughing. He said it was karma payback for the 2 years of making him wear the wire headgear his orthodontist fit him with, and that I'd get no sympathy for the next 2 years. He's right, the only thing I get form him are his tuition bills and empty gas tanks.

Hehe...you won't get any sympathy from me for any of this. I DECIDED not to have kids. They're too expensive, and your life is not your own after you have them. It's bad enough that I have to pay for everyone else's through my taxes...and I don't even get the deductions.

That was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I'm not as bitter as I sound - but there is some truth to it. Why does everyone have kids, try to convince everyone else that they should have them, and then continually whine about them?

Mike

carbonman · Post by **carbonman** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:17 am

RafterRattler wrote: I DECIDED not to have kids. - but there is some truth to it. Why does everyone have kids, try to convince everyone else that they should have them, and then continually whine about them? Mike

Been there, done that, have the T-shirt.

No regrets.

Wulfman · Post by **Wulfman** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:41 am

Billy6 wrote:I was complaining last night at dinner about having to wear my new contraption, and my 19 year old started laughing. He said it was karma payback for the 2 years of making him wear the wire headgear his orthodontist fit him with, and that I'd get no sympathy for the next 2 years. He's right, the only thing I get form him are his tuition bills and empty gas tanks.

Not putting YOU into this particular category, but your post reminded me of the following.......

Every time someone comes to one of the forums and declares (in some manner) "I CAN'T DO THIS!!!" or "I HATE MY CPAP!!!", I wonder what THEY would tell their children if they had some life-threatening condition that required them to wear something that would save their life or improve their health...... Hmmmmmm?
I can think of FAR WORSE conditions to have to treat and therapy to do.......consequently, I have had very little patience with whiners.

Paybacks are Hell, aren't they?

Den

JeffH · Post by **JeffH** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:55 am

RafterRattler wrote:
Billy6 wrote:I was complaining last night at dinner about having to wear my new contraption, and my 19 year old started laughing. He said it was karma payback for the 2 years of making him wear the wire headgear his orthodontist fit him with, and that I'd get no sympathy for the next 2 years. He's right, the only thing I get form him are his tuition bills and empty gas tanks.
Hehe...you won't get any sympathy from me for any of this. I DECIDED not to have kids. They're too expensive, and your life is not your own after you have them. It's bad enough that I have to pay for everyone else's through my taxes...and I don't even get the deductions.

That was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I'm not as bitter as I sound - but there is some truth to it. Why does everyone have kids, try to convince everyone else that they should have them, and then continually whine about them?

Mike

I'm with you Mike. I never had any either. Don't regret it for a minute.

birdshell · Post by **birdshell** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:11 am

Den, that is all too true.

Mike, I do not have my own children either. This wasn't a choice for me. That said, I appreciate the wry humor in your post!

I taught for over 30 years (I say, "over" to cover some of the substitute teaching I did while laid off.) I taught all levels, from pre-kindergarten to 12th grade. I taught mostly physical education, but have 6 years of self-contained classroom experience.

IMHO, the reason that people complain about their children is:

1. because they do not know how to manage them;
2. they are embarrassed about that fact;
3. they are seeking approval and support from others (misery loves [and is vetted] by company).

If there was a test on how to parent, the passing rate for the complainers might be pretty low. According to those who are both parents and teachers, there are a lot of similarities between the two roles in terms of behavior management. (I have sometimes expressed the opinion that I probably shouldn't comment on a parenting issue; one of my fellow teachers has pointed out that her male OB/GYN has never carried and delivered his a baby

of his own, either.)

I do not pretend to know all that there is to know about parenting. There is always a unique situation that may occur; this is called life! The problems of society cannot be solved in schools, alone. There are other factors, of course. It is those little quirks of life that make things interesting.

There is a resource for help in doing what one can with one's children, and it has proven to be powerful for many parents and teachers. This site has many free articles available, as well as podcasts; and, they do sell tapes, and books and so on. I am not teaching any longer, but I listen to the tapes I have because they are interesting and entertaining.

Please feel free to visit the site if you wish to discover more. My link will take you to the free articles.

Click Here: Articles for Parents--and Teachers

I hope that this information will help to ease someone's life, and make it more enjoyable.

Karen,

Who learned a lot

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:19 pm

About having kids: The best reason is that they will love you unconditionally for at least 12 years each....and sometimes forever! And it's a two-way street.

yorkiemum01 · Post by **yorkiemum01** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:53 pm

Hey...great story, got a good laugh on that one.
and Birdshell, you are sooooooo right about the 'whining' parents out there.
I'm 'blessed' with 5 sons, now ages 15-22, and the biggest reward in the world to
me is seeing what well balanced, loving young men I've raised. (I say "I" as I've
been a single parent for over a 12 of those years). Team-work and family dedication
from all of us have brought us through hurricanes, rebuilding a home, to braces
and poor grades........but they all love the Lord, work hard, and honor thy mother.
What could make a parent more proud.
Thanks for letting me share.

echo · Post by **echo** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:22 pm

wow yorkiemom, i am truly humbled! You have managed to raise 5, count 'em *5*, sons all on your own, plus all sorts of difficulties, AND OSA on top of all that... I can barely manage to take care of MYSELF let alone 5 kids
My Hats off to YOU!!!!!

Billy6 - your story is priceless

yorkiemum01 · Post by **yorkiemum01** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:38 pm

Aww echo...thats one of the sweetest things I've ever heard, how thoughtful of you.
I never said it was easy, or is easy...as some still at home, but I've also given up
alot to dedicate my time to them, including a relationship of my own. Its just
so refreshing to see my oldest (22) has maintained a long relationship with an
incredible young lady since they were 17, and have a healthier bond than most
adults I know. My boys know to open doors for a lady or elderly, answer with
'yes ma'am, no sir', and rude behavior or disrespect is NOT tolerated. I believe
with the help of the Lord, and those building blocks, as well as ALOT OF LOVE,
we have all prevailed as a family.
Thank you again for your kind words.

Hoping one day I'll be blessed enough to meet a man (like my sons) who would
want share his life with me, a dedicated CPAP user. In God's time.

Billy6 · Post by **Billy6** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:04 pm

Wulfman wrote:
Billy6 wrote:I was complaining last night at dinner about having to wear my new contraption, and my 19 year old started laughing. He said it was karma payback for the 2 years of making him wear the wire headgear his orthodontist fit him with, and that I'd get no sympathy for the next 2 years. He's right, the only thing I get form him are his tuition bills and empty gas tanks.
Not putting YOU into this particular category, but your post reminded me of the following.......

Every time someone comes to one of the forums and declares (in some manner) "I CAN'T DO THIS!!!" or "I HATE MY CPAP!!!", I wonder what THEY would tell their children if they had some life-threatening condition that required them to wear something that would save their life or improve their health...... Hmmmmmm?
I can think of FAR WORSE conditions to have to treat and therapy to do.......consequently, I have had very little patience with whiners.
Paybacks are Hell, aren't they?
Den

You're right, I did whine, because I was blindsided by the whole thing. I had a small operation and the doctor said I was snoring loudly and had erratic breathing while I was out. He sent me home with one of those at-home sleep test monitors. I did the deal, returned the machine, and it was out of sight, out of mind. A month later, I get a call from Apria Medical Store and was told to come in as soon as possbible. I went in and a technician opened 2 boxes and said "This therapy was prescibed by your physician and now I'm going to fit you with with this facemask to help you breathe at night" and he fit the mask over my mouth and nose and adjusted the straps. To this point I had never heard of sleeping disorders or CPAP. He then put the machine together, connected the hoses and plugged it in. He turned it on, and air began forcing its way into my mouth and nose. He pointed to charts on the wall showing what was happening to my airway and gave me lessons on how to operate the machine and put on the mask.Then he took my credit card, had me sign the agreement and asked me how I liked my CPAP machine and told me that I'm required to wear it every night . He then asked if I had any questions on the operation of the machine or the mask. I asked him "every night for how long?" He said that is totally up to you and your physician, but the data from your physician indicates it will be for some time. The whole appointment took just under 15 minutes. So, I picked my contraption and headed home to research this all online. If any of this was explained to me in advance, I probably wouldnt have been a whiner.

birdshell · Post by **birdshell** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:08 pm

Fair enough to whine, you know. You had very good cause, IMO.

Sheesh, it makes one think--deeply, and frequently. How can anyone be treated thus and expected to then be compliant? I know their are other factors at work, but how many treated thus did NOT find this forum?

Karen

crossfit · Post by **crossfit** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:20 pm

I love my three kids. I adore them and their kids.

But I chose to have them for my own reasons. I can't expect them to owe me anything. Its my job to raise them, theirs to go out in the world and be the best they can be.

That said, my kids are all really great and respect me and I am proud of each of them.

Parenting is a spiritual path - all about giving without getting anything back. Its my primary job and I love it.

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