OT - It's the carbs stupid!

echo · Post by **echo** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:15 pm

Anonymous wrote:Hey dreamstalker and den - just thought to let you know that you've done your good dead for the day I've been having issues with blood sugar levels for a long time now but of course the oh-so-clever docs always said "nothing wrong with you" ... your link on the diabetes.org site led to me to post there... and now i've got the kick in the behind I needed to finally figure out if I am pre-diabetic. So maybe it will turn out that this small act will turn into something life-saving for me. Thanks

OK that was me, I've been posting as Guest all day. damn.

And that should have been GOOD DEED. Dont think I'm DEAD yet.

And I may now have another excuse for being tired

Blood glucose monitor on the way. And those people over at diabetes.org are just as nice and helpful as the people here. so there!

StillAnotherGuest · Post by **StillAnotherGuest** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:38 pm

So anyway, we're doing this presentation, and one of the lecturers is a hospital nutritionalist. She starts out by asking the group "OK, which diets work?"

Nobody volunteered to answer, so I says "What the hey" and sticks my paw up in the air.

"All of them" I replied.

The original article:

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/359/3/229

SAG

echo · Post by **echo** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:49 pm

SAG - I thought the answer was "none of them" ... that is, if they're diets they don't work, they have to be lifestyle changes. Yes, no?

DreamStalker · Post by **DreamStalker** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:59 pm

StillAnotherGuest wrote:So anyway, we're doing this presentation, and one of the lecturers is a hospital nutritionalist. She starts out by asking the group "OK, which diets work?"

Nobody volunteered to answer, so I says "What the hey" and sticks my paw up in the air.

"All of them" I replied.

The original article:

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/359/3/229

SAG

Thanks for the link ... hope to study it in detail later this evening.

Just on very quick glance it appears study was biased towards middle-aged men ... but that works ok for me

Lee2263 · Post by **Lee2263** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:02 pm

would you also beleive that the more bad carbs you eat the worse you SA?

birdshell · Post by **birdshell** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:21 pm

echo wrote:SAG - I thought the answer was "none of them" ... that is, if they're diets they don't work, they have to be lifestyle changes. Yes, no?

True, for MAINTENANCE of weight loss there must be lifestyle changes. For weight loss, any limited calorie diet will work IF it is less than (or equal to) the calories one's body requires to live.

That is the SIMPLIFIED explanation, as there are other factors: for example, the Atkins diet--why does it work better for some, and the Mediterranean diet better for others?

EDBRAD · Post by **EDBRAD** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:49 pm

there is no diet around that includes the #3 enchalada dinner. I just dont want a lifestyle change. I think what i need is a pill to take that will make me lose weight, make me smarter, improve my memory, make me better lookin, hell while we're at it maybe git the wife a second job so I can retire and just putter around the house
i better go now

yorkiemum01 · Post by **yorkiemum01** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:37 pm

As a vegetarian, felt the need to chime in here. I am certainly one of
those waiting for the 'Adkins diet for vegetarians' to be published. Thankfully, with a family full of diabetics, I've found this diet to suit me best in my 30's and manages my cholestrol and blood sugar levels very well. I dont drink caffiene, soda, or eat sweets, and exercise regularly. Thankfully, I dont feel deprieved either. (but will admit I do enjoy a weekend beer, the Irish in me!) lol

Snoredog · Post by **Snoredog** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:03 pm

DreamStalker wrote:The reason they can't figure it out is because it is not the tomatoes that make you sick, it's the salmonella ... find the salmonella then kill the little buggers and problem is solved

Of course those little buggers are really little and hard to find

I've been eating tomatoes and peppers without any problems too.

Someday, science will catch up to what the dogs are barking about

mmmmm......Made a cheese burger, sliced up a fresh Jalipeno for it....

...not feeling so hot... boy is that baby is going to BURN when it comes out!!

...going to get some ice cream

Captain_Midnight · Post by **Captain_Midnight** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:40 am

Poster Babs writes...

Thank you for that FAIR AND BALANCED review of The Zone! Laughing

Thank YOU Babs, for the kind words.

A brief anecdote is in order here.

For years, I worked next to a very nice woman who, sadly, was quite obese. Naturally, I never mentioned her weight, but I used to feel sorry for her as she had difficulty doing minor physical things. Just getting out of her office chair was an effort.

Then came her diagnosis of diabetes. Now, this is a smart woman (Ph.D.), and she was in a Drs care; however, she came to me to ask how she might lose some weight. I went out and bought her two of Dr. Sears books on the Zone (there are several) and also sent her the url for his website.

Now for the best part (and I neither exaggerate nor embroider on the facts). In 3 months, this woman lost 50 pounds. And in the next several months, she lost about 25 more.

She started with the Zone, and using her frequent blood sugar measurements as guides, she was able to tell which carbohydrate foods spiked her blood glucose (it's a pretty long list), and which did not. Further, she was able to determine that she actually needed a lower percentage of carbohydrates than the Sears recommended 40%. (Sears recommends empirically determining the proper ratio, calling everyones "hormonal carburetor" unique.)

And finally, although she knows that she's still a diabetic, she maintains a normal blood sugar and a healthy weight.

As a sidebar, she also mentioned that her "mood" was greatly improved, and she didn't even know it was low.

And, as I mentioned above, there are many good (and many more dreadful) diets available for one to follow. I mention this as I've seen it work, but I maintain high regard for other dietary paths with which others have seen success.

Cheers --

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:31 am

Capt. Midnight, (Oh Captain, My Captain...)

You know, I've bought every diet book known to man. Most of them are "reasonable". One or two have been schlock and have been dumped (That Trudeau "Natural Cures" guy needs to be shot). I've read Dr. Oz, Dr. Phil, Atkins, South Beach, Dr. Mercola.... I'm drawing a blank. I know there's more on that shelf.

I find myself numbed by having to read endless medical theories until I can weed out the "What do you want me to eat, and when?" and when I get there, alot of times it's completely unreasonable.

I am NOT going to get up every morning and fix an entirely exotic and different breakfast every single day. I can't afford the money, time, or energy for that.

I am NOT going to come home at lunch and stir fry baby scallops in saffron oil. Ditto the above reasons.

I can eat NORMAL food, simply prepared. I'm not a cook. If I was, I probably wouldn't live on fast food and frozen meals.

The cost of meals prepared and delivered is prohibitive.

Right now I'm living on grilled skinless chicken breasts (Marinated in lime juice, garlic, cilantro, and Montreal Chicken Seasoning) (My own invention - amazingly good) and brown basmati rice. And the occasional grilled corn on the cob when I have the energy. Unfortunately I BUY salad fixings and they die in the fridge.... sigh... I don't know why I can't be bothered to FIX the salad...

I'm in favor of dieting in theory. In reality, it needs to be made much simpler and easier.

Your story about your coworker is very heartening to me.

Feel free to PM me some links to "Babette". Or post them here.

Cheers,
Babette

Country4ever · Post by **Country4ever** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:53 am

I think the book "Eat Right for Your Type" has some validity to it. My son and I are type O's and DH and DD are A's.......and its very obvious that we have different reactions to carbs.
I have noticed so strongly in the past few months that if I eat too many carbs, and especially in the evening, that I have alot more AHIs and have more restless sleep. Like they say, our GI tracts are our "second brains" and secrete neurochemicals.
I feel much better eating meat than carbs, but I've noticed that its the veggies that really balance me out.
Unfortunately, I'm a sugar addict. I really am. But I think besides society pushing it on us, there are those of us who have an over-reaction with our insulin secretion with carbs, especially sugar.
I think this society has really lost touch with how important good veggies are (that aren't sprayed with chemicals and that are grown in good fertile soil.)
I believe that our bodies are still primitive. If the cave people could find a concentrated sweet and concentrated fat, it could mean the difference between life and death to them. I think we have a hard-wired taste for sugar, salt and fat.
Unfortunately, we have it available 27/7 and our bodies are still thinking it means life and death to us.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:10 am

Country - how on earth did you determine your blood type?

I haven't a clue. Is this going to mean a trip to the lab and an expensive test? I've always wondered.

Thanks much!
Babs

Wulfman · Post by **Wulfman** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:12 am

Anonymous wrote:Country - how on earth did you determine your blood type?

I haven't a clue. Is this going to mean a trip to the lab and an expensive test? I've always wondered.

Thanks much!
Babs

You can also have it done (if you ask for it) when you get your blood test for your marriage license.

Den

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:23 am

Den,

BITE ME.

Hey, being ADD about it, I just bought the One Week zone book, and the Meals in Seconds book from Amazon.com

Delayed gratification is not one of my strengths.

LOL,
Babs

OT - It's the carbs stupid!

As long as you do it for 2 years....

Re: As long as you do it for 2 years....

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