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Post by feeling_better » Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:08 pm

DreamDiver wrote:Here's a comparative product that does have a MSDS. (PDF again) Apparently it's practically non-toxic, though they suggest not getting it in your eyes. And as you suggested Moby - there's always a slight risk.
Thank you for that reference. While this product is different, even for this the inhalation health hazard is shown as 'none expected under normal condition of use'. But there is another line under Inhalation First Aid: 'Remove to fresh air. If breathing is difficult, give oxygen. If breathing has stopped, give artificial respiration.'

Since K-Y jelly is not expected to be used inside the nose, my curiosity is now triggered as to what the long term inhalation risks might be. I will keep searching and asking around. Will post here if I find anything.

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Post by mindy » Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:32 pm

One search I'd suggest on this topic is "aspiration pneumonia". One type of this is "lipoid pneumonia" which can be caused by oily substances like petroleum jelly being inhaled on a regular basis over a long period of time.

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Post by danmc » Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:34 pm

I wonder how many gimps googling "Ky jelly + mask" will end up here...lol. Sorry, I know I should keep my SOH to myself

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Post by mindy » Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:38 pm

hmmm - yes that is rather funny

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Post by danmc » Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:42 pm

OMG - now I wonder if my partner secretly refers to me as her gimp now that I wear a mask to bed...

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Post by DreamDiver » Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:46 pm

feeling_better wrote:Thank you for that reference. While this product is different, even for this the inhalation health hazard is shown as 'none expected under normal condition of use'. But there is another line under Inhalation First Aid: 'Remove to fresh air. If breathing is difficult, give oxygen. If breathing has stopped, give artificial respiration.'
I was wondering whether you meant outgassing or physical contact with the gel in your original query. After all, even too much water can be a bad thing in the lungs.

Maybe the only reason why the original K-Y Jelly doesn't have an MSDS is because it doesn't have a couple of the ingredients that are in the comparative product. For instance, K-Y Jelly is odorless and tasteless. The comparative product has lavender, the scent of which can cause anaphylaxis in a very small population. Some people just have to be downwind of lavender to go anaphylactic. But the majority of us can drink lavender tea with no problems. The same may be true for physical contact with some of the other ingredients, again, in an even smaller population, but it's likely that you'll already have had that experience considering the sheer commonality of most of the ingredients in other products, from personal care items (shampoo, sunscreen, toothpaste) to foods.

As far as I know, there are no outgassing ingredients in K-Y Jelly. It's mostly water - not oil-based. Going to extremes, for those who are chemically sensitive, it is more likely you'll suffer more from the outgassing of the plastic of the container than you will from the gel itself. But if you can deal with toothpaste out of a tube or plastic container, you should be safe as milk with most personal lubricants on your face, even more so than on the more sensitive tissues for which it was intended.

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Post by beegee » Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:11 am

Moby,

I do like the sound of spending less time getting ready for sleep. Do you find with a FFM that you get a dry mouth from mouth breathing? I haven't used one since I first started CPAP with hired equipment (Ultra Mirage) and it wouldn't seal and hurt my face having to strap it on so tight.

Maybe I could try the KY with my Activa mask instead of putting tape on my face under the cushion - would certainly be quicker.

I'm glad you've found a way to streamline the getting to bed routine.

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Post by Moby » Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:22 am

[quote="beegee"]Moby,

I do like the sound of spending less time getting ready for sleep. Do you find with a FFM that you get a dry mouth from mouth breathing? I haven't used one since I first started CPAP with hired equipment (Ultra Mirage) and it wouldn't seal and hurt my face having to strap it on so tight.

Maybe I could try the KY with my Activa mask instead of putting tape on my face under the cushion - would certainly be quicker.

I'm glad you've found a way to streamline the getting to bed routine.

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