Swallowing Air

zorrro13 · Post by **zorrro13** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:51 am

I had the same chronic problem and really can connect with what your saying. To keep it simple I switched from cpap (set pressure) to apap (auto pressure) and it went away instantly

ozij · Post by **ozij** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:35 am

Zorro,
What was your fixed pressure, and what's your range now?

O.

zorrro13 · Post by **zorrro13** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 2:23 pm

ozij wrote:Zorro,
What was your fixed pressure, and what's your range now?

O.

ozij my fixed pressure is 10.8 on straight cpap. My range on Apap is 10.4 to 20. On Apap it varies on nights from 10. 4 to 11 .
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LoQ · Post by **LoQ** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:21 pm

mowbass wrote:My Doctor says I should learn to sleep with my tongue against the roof of my mouth- that's not working.

Did he or she have a suggestion on how to do that? I find I have only a little control over what I do in my sleep.

Nevertheless, I will suggest to you that you try to position your body so that your head is tilted back relative to your chest. Don't tuck your chin, if you can help it. This will probably work best on your side or stomach. That said, if you're anything like me, as soon as you fall asleep you'll probably resume your normal sleeping position. I've changed my sleeping position before, from back to side, but it took a really long time. Now I can't even sleep well on my back. So it is possible to change what you do in your sleep, just not easy.

I suppose you could wear a neck brace for a while to prevent chin tucking.

LoQ · Post by **LoQ** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:28 pm

Anonymous wrote:Another comment- what do you do when you have a cold and your nose is running or have a constant nagging cough? I am taking Nyquil to stop coughing so I can go to sleep.

I don't think Nyquil is the best choice. To put the quietus on a cough, you can't beat dextromethorphan. (Well, you can beat it codeine, but that's not OTC.) It comes in an extended release version (maybe made by Mucinex and containing guaifenesin), but if you get the regular stuff, try to get it by itself so you can get the full 30 mg dose. The combo cough meds only have 20 mg of dex in a single dose, which does you no good whatsoever.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:11 pm

I usually end up sleeping on my right side. I also have a CPAP Pillow, which is more comfortable than my favorite down pillow I enjoy so much.

I have little control over my tongue when I go to sleep. How he expects me to keep it planted on the roof of my mouth does not work.

ozij · Post by **ozij** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:39 pm

Anonymous wrote:My pressure is at 14, reduced from 18 (I thought I was drowning at that pressure). They told me the chin strap would prevent my mouth from opening- not true, I still swallow air with it.

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mowbass, I know you're having a very hard time - and sleep deprivation makes it worse.

Please check if you do indeed have an automatic machine.

Do you know if it's set up to work on fixed pressure (CPAP) or on self adjusting pressure (APAP)?

Did any one look at your data before they dropped you from 18 to 14?

Your breathing obstructions have to be treated - and if you need a pressure of 18, 14 won't do you good.

Please go back to your docotor to discuss a bi-level machine - it is crucial that you understand why our are not being given one. Don't let this unnecessary "sleep the way I tell you to" torture continue. You are in need of therapy, not in need of tongue training. If the doc. doesn't convince you - get all your PSG details and Rx, and look for a second opinion.

It's difficult to gather the energy to do that - but you have to - and things will be better when you get the right therapy.

O.

fire-151 · Post by **fire-151** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:51 pm

Mowbass, I to had aerophagia really bad when I first started on a cpap. The first week on cpap was the best sleep I had ever had and then aerophagia started in. It was so bad I thought I was having a heart attack. I read on this board that after a few months it would go away. Sure enough after about 5 months it did go away. Now I can be on cpap or apap and have not suffered from aerophagia since. The 5 months were pure hell but now everything is good.
My Dr. had me try prilosec, and I had tried all the gas relieve products with no help. Hang in there, it will get better. Good luck

mowbass · Post by **mowbass** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:33 am

Headed to see the doctor this morning and I am taking a copy of this post with me.

Needsdecaf · Post by **Needsdecaf** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:41 am

mowbass wrote:Headed to see the doctor this morning and I am taking a copy of this post with me.

Your signature is a bit confusing. It says Remstar Auto, but then also says Remstar Plus in your last post. The Plusis not an auto machine, it is a straight CPAP

roster · Post by **roster** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:17 pm

mowbass wrote:Headed to see the doctor this morning and I am taking a copy of this post with me.

We are all from New Orleans: keyboards, lead guitar, and bass. We played in the late 60's, early 70's. We are now back together in Baton Rouge and are committed to doing this again. Influences:

The Beatles, The Who, Allman Brothers, Rolling Stones, Yes,
EL&P, Cream, Mountain, Jimi
Hendrix, Santana, Deep Purple,
Spencer Davis, The Kinks, CSN&Y

mowbass, sounds like you have some fun on the side!

OldLincoln · Post by **OldLincoln** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:29 pm

I've had the air swallow thing all my life and pretty much had to tolerate it. I knew others did not have the problem but did workarounds. However, now that I'm on CPAP it is unbearable. I just got a script for an auto machine and truely hope it works.

The chin straps simply do not keep my mouth shut. The last time I tried, I set it so tight it really hurt and woke with a headache - and full of air. But the last straw is a couple time recently, the stomache pain was so bad it made me aware but not yet awake ands I realized I was swallowing air like it was a glass of water, gulping it down. I didn't think that was even possible but here it is.

Have others experienced this?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:25 am

Amazing you connected the dots... yes, that is me... a bass player going for the brass ring one more time!

BTW, my pressure has been reduced to 12 yesterday. We'll see how it goes.

pjwalman · Post by **pjwalman** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:16 pm

Gosh, I can relate, and I'm so sorry you are suffering through this, too! My stomach pain woke me up last night. I laid there trying to ignore it so I could go back to sleep but finally admitted defeat and went to get up. I was immediately doubled over in pain, stumbled bent over to the bathroom where I threw up (I tend to do that with strong abdominal pain. I spent two and a half weeks intermittently throwing up last year before I passed my kidney stone remnants), and then spent a huge amount of time rocking on the bathroom floor with my butt in the air, hoping to get some relief. (Sorry for the visual! ) When my husband woke up and realized what was going on, he begged me not to put the mask back on so I could spare my poor old guts more pain and get some sleep, but I'm only two weeks in, and I'm well aware of the insurance requirements for compliance, so I eventually put it back on once I could lie flat comfortably and got through the next couple hours until it was time to get up to go to work.

I copied off my Daily Details report for last night and sent a fax to the doctor's office, also the sheet showing that I've been 100% compliant so far but that I don't know if I can keep that up unless something is done. My machine has APAP capability -- the doc just has to authorize the feature being enabled. But did I hear from him or his office today? Nope. Guess pain to the point you throw up just isn't that big of a deal. I know, I know. I'm just one person and he's trying to keep track of many, but still a phone call saying, "We got your fax, and the doctor will look at your situation as soon as he can" would have been nice. I can certainly see why people have to take their treatment into their own hands, but I'm not confident enough to start messing with mine yet, so I am at the mercy at the moment.

I don't know how old this subject posting is. Did you have any success switching to APAP, Mowbass? I'd like to be updated if you've made any changes or come up with any new tricks.

Thank you!

Peggy

NightHawkeye · Post by **NightHawkeye** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:19 pm

pjwalman wrote:My stomach pain woke me up last night. I laid there trying to ignore it so I could go back to sleep but finally admitted defeat and went to get up. I was immediately doubled over in pain, stumbled bent over to the bathroom where I threw up (I tend to do that with strong abdominal pain.

You really need to discuss this with your physician, Peggy. I'd think he'd support APAP mode for you given that your aerophagia is so severe.

Regards,
Bill

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