I am seeing quite a bit of kudos about the adapt sv and not so much on the vpap III. I am reading about them to see the differences, is one better? Or do they address different issues?
Because I am paying for everything out of pocket, I really want to make sure I got the best bang for my buck.
Adapt SV vs VPAP III
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Adapt SV vs VPAP III
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I don't know about the US, but the Vpap Adapt in Australia is about the same price as a VPAP III S (well it was last year when I enquired).
I have heard of prices as high as $US5,000 for the Adapt over there but can't say for sure.
The adapt is getting a lot of attention because it seems to address a very wide range of sleeping disorders. The very nature of servo ventilation is that it is kind of a universal bandage for respiratory needs.
The key thing about it is that it will passively ventilate but can within a breath (AFAIK) switch to active ventilation due to its ability to move air quickly (the Bipap SV can also shift air very quickly and at a guess would match the Adapt SV in that regard).
The challenges for both brands of SV machine are (as I see them) ...
1. Both require masks that don't leak. The Adapt in particular will put its mask through a tight learning cycle to work out a set of characteristics that are critical to its ability to servo ventilate. The Bipap SV doesn't do this mask LC but relies on the ability of its auto-trak software to work out what is going on at the mask.
2. The adapt SV works to keep the user's breathing rate & flow to within a 90% target of previous effort. I still haven't worked out exactly what the Bipap SV ventilation target is.
3. The technology was introduced just over a year ago - 1st was the Vpap Adapt SV then came the Bipap Auto SV. Both are in use by cpaptalk members but there appear to be more Adapt SV users - thus far there don't appear to have been any serious complaints about either. (there are some discussions about if sensing pressure at the mask vs estimating it using software makes one machine more advanced & thus effective than the other but no definitive information has come to light in that regard.
It is my own opinion that in time, SV type machines will be come the standard in the future due to their blanket effect on different respiratory problems. Cost is what appears to be preventing that today.
DSM
I have heard of prices as high as $US5,000 for the Adapt over there but can't say for sure.
The adapt is getting a lot of attention because it seems to address a very wide range of sleeping disorders. The very nature of servo ventilation is that it is kind of a universal bandage for respiratory needs.
The key thing about it is that it will passively ventilate but can within a breath (AFAIK) switch to active ventilation due to its ability to move air quickly (the Bipap SV can also shift air very quickly and at a guess would match the Adapt SV in that regard).
The challenges for both brands of SV machine are (as I see them) ...
1. Both require masks that don't leak. The Adapt in particular will put its mask through a tight learning cycle to work out a set of characteristics that are critical to its ability to servo ventilate. The Bipap SV doesn't do this mask LC but relies on the ability of its auto-trak software to work out what is going on at the mask.
2. The adapt SV works to keep the user's breathing rate & flow to within a 90% target of previous effort. I still haven't worked out exactly what the Bipap SV ventilation target is.
3. The technology was introduced just over a year ago - 1st was the Vpap Adapt SV then came the Bipap Auto SV. Both are in use by cpaptalk members but there appear to be more Adapt SV users - thus far there don't appear to have been any serious complaints about either. (there are some discussions about if sensing pressure at the mask vs estimating it using software makes one machine more advanced & thus effective than the other but no definitive information has come to light in that regard.
It is my own opinion that in time, SV type machines will be come the standard in the future due to their blanket effect on different respiratory problems. Cost is what appears to be preventing that today.
DSM
xPAP and Quattro std mask (plus a pad-a-cheek anti-leak strap)
Re: Adapt SV vs VPAP III
One is better, and yes they address sometimes different issues. The best bang for the buck would have to go to the Adapt SV. The VPAP III will cure some respiratory problems. The Adapt SV will cure all respiratory problems, including the problems CPAP, VPAP, and the VPAP III create.HelpMeBreath wrote:I am seeing quite a bit of kudos about the adapt sv and not so much on the vpap III. I am reading about them to see the differences, is one better? Or do they address different issues?
Because I am paying for everything out of pocket, I really want to make sure I got the best bang for my buck.
Cheers
AVAPS: PC AVAPS, EPAP 15, IPAP Min 19, IPAP Max 25, Vt 520ml, BPM 10, Ti 1.8sec, RT 2 (Garage)
BiPAP Auto SV: EPAP 9, IPAP Min 14, IPAP Max 25, BPM 10, Ti 2sec, RT 2 (Travel Machine)
VPAP Adapt SV: EEP 10.4, Min PS 4.4 (Every Day)
Mask: Quattro
BiPAP Auto SV: EPAP 9, IPAP Min 14, IPAP Max 25, BPM 10, Ti 2sec, RT 2 (Travel Machine)
VPAP Adapt SV: EEP 10.4, Min PS 4.4 (Every Day)
Mask: Quattro
Re: Adapt SV vs VPAP III
Banned, This made me smile - so trueBanned wrote:
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The VPAP III will cure some respiratory problems. The Adapt SV will cure all respiratory problems, including the problems CPAP and the VPAP III create.
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The SV class machine is looking more & more like the miracle xPAP cure all yet it seems almost excessive to say so, but, the results are increasingly pointing this way ...
DSM
xPAP and Quattro std mask (plus a pad-a-cheek anti-leak strap)
"Help Me Breath"
For some people the Assist AV has been quite helpful, for others a good auto PaP or BiPap may be all you need. But I wouldn't run out and pick one without someone with medical experience looking over the detailed plots
from your sleep study. Ask the lab for your results, not just a summary
and post selected parts on this forum or on others.
There are some sleep lab managers on this site, who can evaluate a study
and give you some independent opinions. This is where I would start.
Lubman
You shouldn't pick a machine based on features unless you understand the major elements of your particular problem, best understood by a well conducted PSG. Do you have obstructive sleep apnea? Do you have central events? Any history of heart or other things which may be causing the problem or is it happening without any known cause -- either which is valid.I am seeing quite a bit of kudos about the adapt sv and not so much on the vpap III. I am reading about them to see the differences, is one better? Or do they address different issues?
For some people the Assist AV has been quite helpful, for others a good auto PaP or BiPap may be all you need. But I wouldn't run out and pick one without someone with medical experience looking over the detailed plots
from your sleep study. Ask the lab for your results, not just a summary
and post selected parts on this forum or on others.
There are some sleep lab managers on this site, who can evaluate a study
and give you some independent opinions. This is where I would start.
Lubman
I'm not a medical professional - this is from my own experience.
Machine: ResMed Adapt ASV with EERS
Mask: Mirage NV FF Mask
Humidifier: F&P HC 150
Sleepzone Heated Hose
Machine: ResMed Adapt ASV with EERS
Mask: Mirage NV FF Mask
Humidifier: F&P HC 150
Sleepzone Heated Hose
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the diff I encounter with sleep studies is that they kick you out at 5 in the morning in order to get about their business and also to avoid having sleepy people from the night before still walking around in their pyjjmas wen the first patients of the day arrive for their appointments. Except in my case, and I will bet many other as well, most sleep events take place AFTER 5 a.m. and so never get recorded.
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