Murphy's Law // how to put the white filter in....

neversleeps · Post by **neversleeps** » Tue May 03, 2005 2:39 am

Is anybody up?

I'm setting up my contraption for the first time and it says for extra added filtration to use the white one, the black one, then the cover.

What way is the white one supposed to go? One side is sort of plasticy/waffley and the other side is soft....

Thanks,

IWannaSleep · Post by **IWannaSleep** » Tue May 03, 2005 4:30 am

I had the same confusion when assemling mine the first time. I've been meaning to call Respironics and get it clarified. I'll post the answer here when I do... maybe later today.

WillSucceed · Post by **WillSucceed** » Tue May 03, 2005 7:13 am

I suspect that you are talking about a Remstar, yes?

The

plasticy/waffley

side goes in the machine, up against the air intake opening. This plastic side keeps any of the white filter material from being sucked into the machine. Then, put the foam filter in as it's friction against the sides of the opening keep it, and the white filter under it, in place.
Finally, snap the silencer cap back on with the opening slot aiming down toward the floor.

neversleeps · Post by **neversleeps** » Tue May 03, 2005 9:47 am

Okay, thanks very much for the info!

(By the way, I started this post at 3:39a.m. this morning (couldn't sleep, of course). As I sat waiting impatiently for someone to wake up and post an answer, I fell asleep at my computer. I awoke to find:
1) an answer (thank you)
2) I somehow managed to knock the filter to the floor and one of the dogs ripped it up
3) I received an email rejection letter
4) Health Partners denied my application for insurance coverage because of my 'preexisting condition' (Depression)
5) I have peculiar little imprints all over my cheek from falling asleep on my keyboard

Life doesn't get any better than this....

WillSucceed · Post by **WillSucceed** » Tue May 03, 2005 12:15 pm

Hey Neversleeps!!!
Hang in there; don't give up on yourself. Fight the insurance company to get them to recognize that OSA is not depression. Get your Dr. to advocate for you and, if your Dr. has a Social Worker in the office, get that person helping you as well.

Most insurance companies have a "client advocate" and an "appeals" process. Ask about these and push really hard. I had to go the appeals route to get my insurance company to do the right thing but, after 3 months, I won.

Stay strong!

Mikesus · Post by **Mikesus** » Wed May 04, 2005 5:31 am

I actually put the black one towards the machine then the white one. This way the black one doesn't need cleaning as the white one catches the dust (and its disposable)

I also replace the filters monthly tho....

wading thru the muck! · Post by **wading thru the muck!** » Wed May 04, 2005 5:51 am

BOY! All these filters for our cpap machines. What are suppose to do all day while we are breathing that raw unfiltered air?

... or are the filters just for the benefit of the blower on the machine?

flitestik · Post by **flitestik** » Wed May 04, 2005 11:49 am

Not sure about filters ........ sorry. As for insurance, screw em! I am self employed and found a suitable(albeit older) CPAP machine, had it serviced and bought new mask after recommends i read here.

Cost about 600 Cdn. One day I will upgrade to new Resmed Spirit I think, this is the machine I had titration tests on..... nice machine but my Respironics Solo works ok . I am only a moderate OSA case though. Good luck!

sthnreb · Post by **sthnreb** » Thu May 05, 2005 8:59 pm

I find the washable foam sufficient for myself. The white is for pollen, dust and fine particles. If you have allergies etc you may need the white too. I think just using the foam and keeping it clean is sufficient for most people.

snork1 · Post by **snork1** » Thu May 05, 2005 9:13 pm

I might as well toss in my viewpoint on filters too.
I have a remstar.
According to the manufacturer, the grey foam is for allergies and the white one is "normal". (which I still am not sure I believe)

The white one goes in first with the "hard" side inboard, so it won't suck the media into the machine (as someone else also said).

The foam is a prefilter (I don't care what the manufacturer says...I have designed air filtration in various jobs). The foam is WASHABLE and reusable and should be washed often. This will also make the pricey white disposable filter last longer.

My "silencer" cap broke its retention tabs after only a couple of months. This resulted in several observations.
1) Machine manufacturers will only cover warranty work through DMEs.
2) DME's are worthless and do not believe anything is a "defect".
3) It didn't make a darn bit of difference soundwise on my noisy machine if that cover was off or on and its that much easier to change the filter with it off.

A LOT of air blows through that machine every night. Your option if you want to filter it or have it clog up the machine....or your lungs. I know my allergies are better at night breathing that filtered air than during the day without filtered air.

sthnreb · Post by **sthnreb** » Thu May 05, 2005 9:43 pm

The foam is a prefilter (I don't care what the manufacturer says...I have designed air filtration in various jobs). The foam is WASHABLE and reusable and should be washed often. This will also make the pricey white disposable filter last longer.

My "silencer" cap broke its retention tabs after only a couple of months. This resulted in several observations.
1) Machine manufacturers will only cover warranty work through DMEs.
2) DME's are worthless and do not believe anything is a "defect".
3) It didn't make a darn bit of difference soundwise on my noisy machine if that cover was off or on and its that much easier to change the filter with it off.

You are absolutely right. I've been around filtration quite a bit myself. I've built clean room where they measure dust particules in microns. (for lightguide fiber optics). Hepa filters are used. Right on the 1,2 and 3 too. My bipap pro 2 was about 7 weeks old when I finally returned it to cpap as defective manufacturing. They said they would replace it with new and later said Respironics policy said only machines less than 30 days old for new. Over 30 day, they want to give you a used one (refurbished they say) Seems they would have known Respironics policies with as many machines as they sell? You have to play their games or you end up without a functioning machine. Mine would stop during the night almost causing suffocation and then come back on. I got it back today. Hope it was repaired. They did give the choice for repair of used. I preferred to keep my 2 month old problem rather than someone elses.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu May 05, 2005 11:14 pm

I continue to be shocked at the comments on here that RemStars are noisy machines. Mine is only a couple weeks old, so maybe they have improved them recently, but my machine is very very quiet. I had a couple loaner Resmed Spirits so my expectations were set by those machines, which were many times noisier than my RemStar auto. Even with CFLEX on it's still very quiet.

On the filters, my REMstar manual calls the grey foam filter is a pollen filter and says the white ultra fine filter is for those sensitive to smoke or other small particles. I think this is consistent and correct.

IWannaSleep · Post by **IWannaSleep** » Thu May 05, 2005 11:16 pm

Sheesh.... That last post was me... still haven't reset my auot sign-in...

Dan01 · Post by **Dan01** » Fri May 06, 2005 12:40 am

What is the old saying about insurance companies and lawyers??? Anyway, I hate them both. Insurance companies use the premiums you pay them to hire lawyers to fight your claim when you file one.

I will have to check my white filter to make sure I had it turned the right way. I put the white filter in first and the washable one. I will be extra careful pulling the cover off after this thread.

Newsgrouper · Post by **Newsgrouper** » Fri May 06, 2005 9:57 am

I E-mailed Respironics customer service the question about the filter and here is their reply:

There is not a front of back to the ultra fine filter. It does not matter which way the filter is placed in the machine. Some find it easier to have the soft side go against the pollen filter, This way it is easier to put both filters in.

Regards,
Respironics Product Support

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