Sleep Debt and Weight Gain--Dr Weil, MD

General Discussion on any topic relating to CPAP and/or Sleep Apnea.
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Post by sharon1965 » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:42 pm

i know, i know...

it's just so hard when someone hits you where you live and then continues to hammer at you, using your own words against you

i have, certainly, learned a lot from talking to people who don't always agree with me, but this person was not just disagreeing, this was outright goading, and i'm ashamed to say that apparently not much has changed since my childhood as the only girl with 4 brothers who loved to goad--they loved getting a rise out of me, too ...

sharon
If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got...

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Post by Perchancetodream » Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:46 pm

I am new to this community and new to this world of diagnosed OSA.

It seems that the unidentified guest is overlooking one very significant contribution that OSA makes to a sedentary life style: fatigue. I found it very difficult to continue the active lifestyle I once led when I had energy.

It is my hope that once I am able to start BiPAP therapy (waiting for the machine to arrive) and stop effectively waking up 70 times an hour, I can resume doing the things I used to love so much.

Susan


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Post by Perchancetodream » Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:00 pm

SleepGuy wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As for the apnea (or whatever is causign your sleep debt to increase) causing weight gain, well yeah we can argue that until the cows come home. People are in control of their situations enough to know they have gained 10 lbs and now their snoring has gotten worse. They may be the 5th person, the one who does not have any clinically significant apnea but snores. 10 more lbs and there's a good chance they're going to have full blown apnea.

Where does the apnea cause the weight gain? After you have apnea maybe, before that... no way.
I'm just a dumb lawyer but did manage to copy part of a very interesting article discussing how low blood oxygen levels during the night result in diabetes. I suspect that the insulin dynamic discussed in the article may lend support to the argument that apnea causes weight gain in certain people because it interferes with the normal digestive function. Panic hormones, like cortizol, released during apnea are also linked to wieght gain.

Unfortunately, the original article has since been taken off the Net....

Here's an excerpt:

"Sleep debt strongly affects glucose utilization as well as circadian cycles of thyrotropin, cortisol, growth hormone, and other physiological variables. Sleep debt alone is reported to result in impaired glucose effectiveness similar to that found in non-insulin-dependent diabetics. Severe OSA significantly influences plasma insulin and glycemia and may increase the risk of diabetes independently of obesity."

"Insulin resistance is found in both obese and non-obese OSA patients. Blood pressure and fasting insulin correlate closely with both BMI and the severity of OSA. Thus, both the sleep debt and the sympathetic activation that accompany OSA may speed the deterioration of glucose tolerance. Insulin resistance and hyperinsulinemia lead to further sympathetic activation, thus completing the circle of obesity, diabetes, hypertension, and the related metabolic abnormalities."

"Clearly, it is important to manage all the risk factors for diabetes and hypertension. Patients with diabetes, obesity, and hypertension have about a 70% chance of having significant OSA. Thus,OSA must be included in the differential diagnosis for hypertension. Treatment of OSA in the obese, diabetics, and hypertensives may improve insulin responsiveness (32%), reduce blood pressure, and normalize the abnormal growth hormone cycle – and may possibly improve the impaired lipid metabolism seen in OSA. Patients with hypertension and diabetes should be asked specific questions that can reveal undiagnosed OSA. A positive answer to the following two questions provides a 90% predictability for identifying a sleep disorder:

• Do you snore?
• Have you ever been told that you stop breathing during sleep?

"Physicians who ask these questions can expect an eightfold increase in OSA patients in their office. After treatment of OSA, they can also expect improvement in the management of both hypertension and diabetes."

Recent articles in Chest and Cardio Thoracic Journals state that after the onset of insulin resistance, little can be done to reverse it.

Truth be told, modern medicine knows relatively little about the effects of OSA. I'm just glad for a good doctor who sent me home with an overnight oxymeter several years ago!
It looks like it is on the web in PDF format: http://www.touchbriefings.com/pdf/790/pascualy.pdf

The article really was interesting. Thanks for mentioning it - I just googled obesity OSA and came up with all kinds of stuff.

Susan

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Post by split_city » Mon Aug 27, 2007 11:44 pm

FYI, I am not Guest in disguise.

You would have to be a very naive person to suggest that obesity is the only cause of OSA...or to even suggest that OSA is only caused by the tongue flopping back

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Post by scenestealer » Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:38 am

I'm definitely finding myself less hungry, especially at night before I sleep. I used to be VORACIOUSLY hungry right as I was getting tired - so bad that often if I didn't have a least a little something, it would keep me up. Now, my appetite seems to be a little more under control - and the better my therapy is going (it's up and down), the better my appetite behaves...

I'm also hypoglycemic, so I have to be careful about my blood sugar, but even that seems to be behaving better lately...

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Post by socknitster » Tue Aug 28, 2007 7:09 am

Split--I knew it wasn't you! But who gets their rocks off belittling sleep-deprived people? I don't get that?

Scene--I have had the same response. Unfortunately for me, I have developed bad habits. I got out of them for a while after I had about 2 months of good sleep and was feeling good and strong. But it has now been almost a month since my tonsilectomy and I'm back into bad habits again. After the surgery I lost 15 lbs because I couldn't eat. Then once I started eating, I was like, "oh, poor me, I couldn't eat." I tried to control it but combined with the sleep deprivation I suffered during the recovery, it has been hard. Now that I'm feeling pretty much back to normal, I'm trying hard to cut back again. I know I'm not hungry, I just have bad habits--the evening is the worst. If I can distract myself with something really interesting, I forget or don't care. But if I'm bored and watching tv--ugh.

I'll get there though, after my son's b-day party on thurs I'm going to return to the gym and that always helps. I'm going to be on cleaning patrol until then (strangers in my house--eeek!) so at least I'll be burning calories cleaning all the nooks and crannies and moving furniture etc.

Jen