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dsm wrote:Jeeze mate we sure missed ya - so wotcher gunna say sport ?

All I've really got to say is meh. I'm rather nonplussed.

Nobody's managed to make me want to give up on this place yet. There are so many redeeming qualities that I really don't see much sense in leaving.

Ideal world this, ideal world that... It doesn't really matter, even if I agree. The policy is what the policy is. Personally, I've staked out that ground fairly squarely with those that attack me, so it's never a shock. I'm just going to butt out and stop trying to prove a point, because any point I had was proven long ago.

I'm going to do my best to turn the other cheek. We'll see if I manage to stay with that, or if I end up turning too far and turn the other OTHER cheek. I hope not.

Most of the people I disagree with on here I am happy to discuss the disagreements with, because it's an actual discussion. As long as I feel like I can accomplish something by being here, then I will be.

WOW what delicious reading....kind of like driving past a car accident and swearing you don't want to see something bad, even though you crane your neck to see it.
I belong to a few boards with totally different subject matter and I must say that even a board I belong to about Chihuahuas has sometimes gotten so off track and verbally violent it was FUNNY.
The only problem I have with any of this crap going on is that someone listed as GUEST keeps popping in with snide remarks. That is what shouldn't be allowed. If Snoredog or DSM are miffed and spitting at each other that is ok with me, but anyone that is willing to post should also be willing to sign in under a registered name and take the heat for their input.

dsm barked the following:

your heart is in the right place - I doubt that few would dispute that, but if you come into this thread knowing that people are dealing with disputes & read the posts here & then post your own contribution, can't you see the ambiguity & folly of doing so ?

So when dsm posts comments, it is fine. We are all to listen and learn from his wisdom BUT when someone else posts a comment, he/she is somehow contributing to the folly. I don't know who has the bigger ego, dsm or SAG.

dieselgal remarked:

The only problem I have with any of this crap going on is that someone listed as GUEST keeps popping in with snide remarks.

This is an old canard that has been bandied back and forth many times in the past with folk falling on both sides of the debate. As it stands, unregistered guests are allowed to post and until posters are forced to register, you will get comments from the peanut gallery. It's a hard life, no?

WOW what delicious reading..

would it be as savory without the guest comments? Everybody likes the mystery of the new kid in the sandbox.

dieselgal wrote:WOW what delicious reading....kind of like driving past a car accident and swearing you don't want to see something bad, even though you crane your neck to see it.

Great metaphor! So, I guess if the ambulance has finished taking that body away, are you ready for another Hostaged Post? It's tough to feed these things, they're eating me out of house and home, and I guess now, the sooner I get rid of these things, the better.
SAG

So dsm, you tell GoofyUT that his post is "folly;" he should not be adding to the ongoing disagreement and blather... then you actively invite Blarg

Jeeze mate we sure missed ya Smile - so wotcher gunna say sport ?

to speak up and offer his opinion.

You are happy to stifle some, but invite others. Perhaps you expected Blarg to offer support to you -commentary that you want, but GoofyUT, well, he is to shut up and leave the sandbox because all he had to offer was to tell folk to

LET IT GO FELLAS, FER CHRISSAKES!

You, dsm don't want the dialogue to stop, you want it to continue down the path that YOU want. There are none so blind as those who will not see -how can you be so blind to your own hipocrasy?

And, good for Blarg for NOT falling for your baiting tactic. Snoredog has you, dsm, figured out alright.

dsm commented

PS am really intrigued to discuss via PM the goins on here with someone who joins on Jun 6th & bores right in with guns blazing - an amazing feat for a newbie - pls do PM me - I will answer

I suspect that you are referring to me; perhaps I'm wrong. I've been watching this thread from the beginning and decided to stick my snout in the trough. That I'm a guest allows you the pleasure of discounting my comments, you will anyway simply because I don't agree with your chatter. I'm OK with this as all postings contribute to the mix -yours, thank God, cannot be the only voice.

If you stop posting, others will as well -you just can't stand not having the last word (admittedly, I'd like the last word as much as the next person).

That Willsucceed person made a valuable point ---he said in his first post that he had been away and missed the CollegeGirl instigated mud-slinging. You guys damned him for reviving an old thread but, if you read Willsucceed's comments, you would see that it was NOT an old thread to him, it was new. You guys had slung your muck at him and went back to sleep when he did not reply immediately. He was late in his reply, big deal! Get over it... he still had every right to respond to your nastiness.

The SAG person got all over this and decided he has the moral authority to decide what others should, and should not, be able to read. He took it upon himself to delete posts. Then Willsucceed started a thread about deleted posts, pointing out that this practice was dangerous, which, I think, may have prompted the administrators of this site to post a policy about not deleting the posts of others.

Even if you don't agree with his re-opening a thread, his opinion about CollegeGirl, SAG and dsm mud-slinging, I think that the Willsucceed poster did us all a big favor... he pointed out that none of us should be able to censor others and, in some small way, contributed to a policy that protects all posters from censorship. YOU dsm don't get to decide what right thinking is. YOU also don't get to set any moral tone. YOU, are not more enlightened nor better than anyone else. Suck it up.

If you, and others, don't like that you can no longer censor others then, do as the administrator suggested in his first post in this thread -go elsewhere.

We are fortunate in most cases to see who ios posting and have an idea of what to expect from that person..

I have a good idea of what to expect from a few loose cannons.

Sometimes I will not have a very good respect or admiration for their poinst of view, BUT i do admire them for openly letting us know who they are.

I have far less regard for anyone who INTENTIONALLY posts as a guest who does not have the courage to identify him/her self.

Besides, we have no way of even knowing if you are a different or the same GUEST.

You , sir or madam, have less credibility and far LESS respect than those you criticise.
I could be wrong

tom- tomjax, not a spineless GUEST

Umm. I think you all are taking this WAY too seriously. Get over yourselves. All I see is a bunch of posturing and attempts to make folks take sides. Did you forget why we are here? To help each other cope with xpap! Duh. Leave your egos in your living rooms and get on with it.

Maybe you should sit back and take your blood pressure before you post. I refuse to look at this thread again. It is sickening.

Jen

Hey, did somebody delete a bunch of stuff again? I spent a lot of time doing this and now some of my “quotes” may not be there anymore. Boo-Hoo. Well, anyway—this is so much fun, isn’t it! Too much trouble to figure out how to quote different posters in the same reply. So, the quotes are marked as quotes—if you made them, you know who you are. Oh, I’m the NEWEST guest—to get things really going! Don’t confuse me with that OTHER guest who doesn’t have a clue.

“Ideal world this, ideal world that... It doesn't really matter, even if I agree. The policy is what the policy is. Personally, I've staked out that ground fairly squarely with those that attack me, so it's never a shock.”
Great point!

“YOU, are not more enlightened nor better than anyone else.” Some ARE more enlightened than others—a fact of life.

“I have far less regard for anyone who INTENTIONALLY posts as a guest who does not have the courage to identify him/her self. “Why set yourself up for the barrage of hate you’ll get spewed back if certain posters don’t agree with you? My opinions are just as valid as anyone else’s, but I refuse to “toughen up” enough to not let it get to me. I like my personality the way it is, thank you very much. It’s served me very well—until I started reading the hate-spewing on THIS board.

“ Leave your egos in your living rooms and get on with it.”
AMEN!

“That Willsucceed person made a valuable point ---he said in his first post that he had been away and missed the CollegeGirl instigated mud-slinging. You guys damned him for reviving an old thread but, if you read Willsucceed's comments, you would see that it was NOT an old thread to him, it was new. You guys had slung your muck at him and went back to sleep when he did not reply immediately. He was late in his reply, big deal! Get over it... he still had every right to respond to your nastiness.”
His only reason for pulling up a thread this old was his ego. He just couldn’t let it go without responding. A reasonable, mature adult could have let it go or taken it up in PM, rather than do something he knew would start things up yet again.

“I read the linked post, Snoredog... wow!!
Nice language DSM... do you kiss your wife with that mouth?” I read it, too. It’s not much worse that many of snoredog’s disgusting pictures and verbal assaults. (Not saying he’s the only one, but he’s at the top of the list of someone you know will act this way on a consistent basis.)

“So if you want to make a meaningful contribution, please don't post how 'we should all get on' or how 'we should all behave', BECAUSE THAT ISN'T HAPPENING !!!” AMEN, again. It ain’t never happenin’ with some of the posters on THIS board!


“Snoredog,
Do you care to elaborate ...
- who spoofs ip addresses ?
- where has this been done (evidence) ? or is this just an impression ?
What is your point ?
Thanks
DSM”
Uh, snoredog, you ever gonna answer this, or do you not have an answer and that is why you keep evading the question? (And no, I’m not DSM or anyone else in this fray!)

“Freedom of speech should be tapered with civility and common courtesy--something adults should be able to do more than it's done here.” Another AMEN! But it won’t happen here.

“It is a message sent to me, once it is in my inbox, I don't need your permission, i can do what I want with it.” True. But, when a person sends a PM ( PRIVATE message ), they assume it will stay that way. Posting this was totally uncalled for, IMHO, of course.

“S(pews) A(bject) G(arbage)” WHY do this??? What purpose does it serve?

“Another aspect to think about. When you moderate a thread yourself and decide yourself that someone's snotty comment wasn't helpful and you delete it, that most likely will further infuriate them and make their next post even more snotty and mean. So in the end, it only makes things worse.” Hey, another AMEN!

“But I think we've all seen it happen where the certain members will continue the attacks & bullying for pages and then declare their view the winner, since they had the most posts.” True, true. Kinda like, “I win ‘cause I have the most toys.” Childish thinking, yes. Some of these people are “like third graders” ( ) and will continue on. Why so many feel like they have to be the winner, I don’t know.

Enough on my part—more than enough—way more than enough. Although I could go on for pages!!

Ahhh, a cleansing…I’ve wanted to get this out for a long time but am too chicken to post as a registered user—don’t want to become a punching bag with a bulls-eye (my name) on it. Bye-bye, ya’ll. I've had it with this place.

Actually guest....I was the newbie that joined on June 6th I think. I had been here as a guest for a few weeks before that, just lurking and reading along. But I guess my june 6th sign up date is of importance when it comes to my opinion. I clearly stated all along that I was new. I put opt a post that I thought was quite respectful and tried to reach out to all sides as I don't want to step on the wrong feet here. Then someone else gets burned just for aagreeingwith me. I am not one to let someone else take the heat for things I have said or done. I never have been. So I stepped up and let everyone know that Chuck had nothing to do with it....I was the one who said we should all get along.
But I guess since I am new I don't get to put my opinion out there. Sorry....will someone tell me when my probation is over?

I am sorry Jen if anything I have said has been a part of driving you away from this thread. You have been very nice to me here and you should be able to read whatever thread you choose without me or anyone else turning it into a pissing contest.

Some other Guest commented:

His only reason for pulling up a thread this old was his ego. He just couldn’t let it go without responding. A reasonable, mature adult could have let it go or taken it up in PM, rather than do something he knew would start things up yet again.

So, you suggest that what he SHOULD have done was just ignore the tantrum from CollegeGirl, and the superiority-laced lip from SAG and dsm. Willsucceed should just accept your abuse, in silence, but YOU should not have to accept it when it comes back to you. Maybe you should have been a little more gentle-handed when you were doling out your snottyness.

What goes around comes around and he gave back the crap that you gave to him. And why should he do it in a PM? You dished out your crap in a public thread but you don't want to take the heat when it comes back to you in public... you suggest that he should have sent you a PM. You are the type who wants to insult folk in public, then apologize in private; that's courage! You made your comments in public, take your licks in public as well.

You can't heap abuse, EVER and then sit back and cry 'foul' when it comes back to you. Some time passed before Willsucceed responded, which you interpreted as 'my comments were accepted by all as fact --done deal.' Wake up!! Just as you would impose censorship on what others say, you would impose YOUR version of a statue of limitations as well. I don't think so. If you don't want to feel a backlash, don't lash out in the first place.

If it were YOUR posts that were being deleted by someone else, you would be crying and complaining about censorship. I know you are going to reply with some comment about the value of censoring nasty remarks but, who gets to decide what is nasty? What if I decide that anything that you post is offensive and just keep hitting "delete?" You would be crying a river.

YOU don't get to set the moral standard for anyone other than yourself. The administrator of this site was WISE to not give in to your bullying and censorship. Suck it up or, go back to your room and pout but, in either case, QUITE WHINING and hiding behind non-issues... a thread got revived, so what? Get over it and stay with the REAL issue.

This non-censorship policy is a good thing for ALL of us, no matter how it came about. Even you will benefit from it. You might notice that there are many people who have been regulars on this forum for some time, including Willsucceed, who are NOT posting in this thread. The only person keeping it alive is YOU because you don't have the guts to just accept that your censorship of others is flat out wrong.

Better check your big-girl panties... I think they are soiled and need changing. (Big thanks, by the way, to whoever first posted the "big-girl panties" analogy --VERY clever.)

Isn't the diversity of life (and humanity) wonderful?

Thanks to Johnny ... "There are no rules, no distant moderator, no respected member of the community that can legislate or moderate away our own foul dispositions." Alberto Gonzo may want to take away your liberties ... but not here on this forum ... Ooooo Ya!!!

I'm so glad we don't live in a Twillight Zone episode where everyone is happy all of the time and no one discusses contorversial topics in order to just get along and keep things ideal. It is only natural that the good, the bad, and the ugly all be represented on this beautiful slimey stone dancing round a bright shinny ball of gas ... all playing their part so that things don't get stale and boring. This forum is no different and that's why I like it here.

For the newbies: BEHOLD!! CPAPer's are just as normal as everyone/everything else on this great planet. Enjoy the show! Come back and read some of the other threads to learn to get rested then join in on the wonderful diveristy life has to offer!

Hey all yall!
2 3 4 And the beat goes on!
JuJu

Is it possible? Peace and quiet at last?

Now who was it that got up on his hind legs and proclaimed: "the cancer is excised" & "the venom is expunged?"

Now that dsm and SAG have FINALLY stopped talking, he can say one last thing... how about: "the gasbags are empty!!!"

Shut up, Guest. Just shut up. Did I mention that I'd like you to shut up? Oh, and by the way, my name is Tangents, and I'd like you to shut up.