Question about article in paper

RosemaryB · Post by **RosemaryB** » Sun May 06, 2007 12:54 pm

sharon1965 wrote:. . . still on the huge learning curve that my osa diagnosis has thrown me!______________
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Sharon, there's so much to learn to make this treatment work, it's a good thing that our brains are working better!

Nitro Dan · Post by **Nitro Dan** » Sun May 06, 2007 1:03 pm

Snoredog wrote:
lucy555 wrote:
These problems could be warning signs:

A roommate notices pauses in your breathing that last more than 10 seconds, or snoring

Extreme fatigue during the day

Trouble remembering dreams

Unusual irritability

I read this in the article posted at the top of this forum about sleep apnea. I am confused, is it good or bad to remember dreams. The article says if you have problems remembering your dreams it is a problem, I thought it was the opposite. Any ideas from the veterans here?
think it says "trouble" remembering dreams.

I think remembering dreams is GOOD not bad. Dreams are only stored in short-term memory. If you wake up you will remember them, but you may forget by the time you get your clothes on. However, if you "repeat" the contents of the dream such as talking about it with a partner at breakfast you are more likely to remember the dream contents just by the fact of repeating it, the more you repeat it the longer that memory will remain.

Why do you remember some dreams and not others? It is thought that if you wake up from a dream you are in the REM state of sleep. If you transition of of REM say back to Deep Sleep and wake up there you won't remember the dream. There is even a watch you can now buy that will wake you during those nearly awake periods.

I've always felt better waking from a dream vs waking from a non-dream state, in fact that is what usually wakes me is the dream. But I usually say wow that felt great fall back asleep to get back to that dream only to wake later in a non-dream state and feel lousy.

Snoredog,

Have you ever been wakened by a dream only to fall back asleep and start dreaming where you left off?

RosemaryB · Post by **RosemaryB** » Sun May 06, 2007 1:04 pm

kteague wrote:Rose,
Thanks for the info. I just had a waking thought (as opposed to a sleep thought). Not only during the studies are we not seeing a complete picture. If most of our REM is at the end, then those who by lifestyle choose less than optimal sleep time are shorting themselves of not just sleep, but much needed REM sleep. Hmmm. Think I'll talk to my family about the importance of allowing more sleep time in their crazy busy lives.
Kathy

That's hard to do, but worth it. Because I had to get up at 5 a.m. for work, I was trying to go to bed by 9:30 p.m. It took a long time and a lot of lifestyle adjustments to do this. Frustrating, because I still wasn't well rested, but then found out about the OSA.

RosemaryB · Post by **RosemaryB** » Sun May 06, 2007 1:11 pm

Snoredog wrote: There is even a watch you can now buy that will wake you during those nearly awake periods.

I've always felt better waking from a dream vs waking from a non-dream state, in fact that is what usually wakes me is the dream. But I usually say wow that felt great fall back asleep to get back to that dream only to wake later in a non-dream state and feel lousy.

Snoredog, a few years ago I bought one of those "Sunrizer" alarm clocks when I found one 50% off on sale (they are expensive). (Edited to add: This is one of those clocks that is a light and gradually brightens to wake you). This was because I really, really, really hated the alarm clock jarring me out of sleep. Even worse a clock radio with some depressing news blaring me awake. It made a big difference in how I felt waking up when I got this clock. Part of it reportedly has to do with it being a more natural way to wake up, but maybe part of it was that it let me wake up from a "nearly awake" period, since it brightened over the course of 1/2 hour. (There's a buzzer at the end in case you sleep through it).

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Snoredog · Post by **Snoredog** » Sun May 06, 2007 1:16 pm

Nitro Dan wrote:
Snoredog wrote:
lucy555 wrote:
These problems could be warning signs:

A roommate notices pauses in your breathing that last more than 10 seconds, or snoring

Extreme fatigue during the day

Trouble remembering dreams

Unusual irritability

I read this in the article posted at the top of this forum about sleep apnea. I am confused, is it good or bad to remember dreams. The article says if you have problems remembering your dreams it is a problem, I thought it was the opposite. Any ideas from the veterans here?
think it says "trouble" remembering dreams.

I think remembering dreams is GOOD not bad. Dreams are only stored in short-term memory. If you wake up you will remember them, but you may forget by the time you get your clothes on. However, if you "repeat" the contents of the dream such as talking about it with a partner at breakfast you are more likely to remember the dream contents just by the fact of repeating it, the more you repeat it the longer that memory will remain.

Why do you remember some dreams and not others? It is thought that if you wake up from a dream you are in the REM state of sleep. If you transition of of REM say back to Deep Sleep and wake up there you won't remember the dream. There is even a watch you can now buy that will wake you during those nearly awake periods.

I've always felt better waking from a dream vs waking from a non-dream state, in fact that is what usually wakes me is the dream. But I usually say wow that felt great fall back asleep to get back to that dream only to wake later in a non-dream state and feel lousy.
Snoredog,

Have you ever been wakened by a dream only to fall back asleep and start dreaming where you left off?

NOPE!! but that was the thought process behind wanting to fall back asleep, maybe if I fell back asleep and dreamed again she will even be better looking the next dream around

SidecarMike · Post by **SidecarMike** » Sun May 06, 2007 1:17 pm

Goofproof wrote:The worst part is sleeping so poorly, you don't have dreams at all. Jim

That was my experience. I stopped dreaming when I was a kid. I remember my dad joking that bears chased him in his sleep whenever he ate liverwurst. I ate it just to see if I would dream and I didn't. He passed away when I was 14.

I started dreaming again after I started Bipap.

Snoredog · Post by **Snoredog** » Sun May 06, 2007 1:21 pm

RosemaryB wrote:
Snoredog wrote: There is even a watch you can now buy that will wake you during those nearly awake periods.

I've always felt better waking from a dream vs waking from a non-dream state, in fact that is what usually wakes me is the dream. But I usually say wow that felt great fall back asleep to get back to that dream only to wake later in a non-dream state and feel lousy.
Snoredog, a few years ago I bought one of those "Sunrizer" alarm clocks when I found one 50% off on sale (they are expensive). This was because I really, really, really hated the alarm clock jarring me out of sleep. Even worse a clock radio with some depressing news blaring me awake. It made a big difference in how I felt waking up when I got this clock. Part of it reportedly has to do with it being a more natural way to wake up, but maybe part of it was that it let me wake up from a "nearly awake" period, since it brightened over the course of 1/2 hour. (There's a buzzer at the end in case you sleep through it).

Nitro Dan · Post by **Nitro Dan** » Sun May 06, 2007 1:22 pm

Snoredog wrote:
Snoredog,

Have you ever been wakened by a dream only to fall back asleep and start dreaming where you left off?

NOPE!! but that was the thought process behind wanting to fall back asleep, maybe if I fell back asleep and dreamed again she will even be better looking the next dream around

LOL, she was!

RosemaryB · Post by **RosemaryB** » Sun May 06, 2007 5:58 pm

Snoredog wrote:
RosemaryB wrote:
Snoredog wrote: There is even a watch you can now buy that will wake you during those nearly awake periods.

I've always felt better waking from a dream vs waking from a non-dream state, in fact that is what usually wakes me is the dream. But I usually say wow that felt great fall back asleep to get back to that dream only to wake later in a non-dream state and feel lousy.
Snoredog, a few years ago I bought one of those "Sunrizer" alarm clocks when I found one 50% off on sale (they are expensive). This was because I really, really, really hated the alarm clock jarring me out of sleep. Even worse a clock radio with some depressing news blaring me awake. It made a big difference in how I felt waking up when I got this clock. Part of it reportedly has to do with it being a more natural way to wake up, but maybe part of it was that it let me wake up from a "nearly awake" period, since it brightened over the course of 1/2 hour. (There's a buzzer at the end in case you sleep through it).

littlemo · Post by **littlemo** » Sun May 06, 2007 7:32 pm

we cycle through our sleep stages about every 90-120mins, with the last stage being rem and as the night progresses, the rem stage becomes longer in duration as the others become shorter.
Yes we do dream in every sleep stage, but REM is the most vivid. Sleep walking/ talking does not actually occur in REM but in SWS which is the deepest sleep stage. there is a rare % of the population were these activities do occur in REM and this is what we refer to as rem behaviour disorder.
Of note, most of us wake up /arouse after every REM stage during the night. This would be when we change position or alter the bed clothes. we will most commonly remember the last dream we had as it preceeds wake. And yes if our REM stage is disturbed, it is possible to return to that dream!

Babette · Post by **Babette** » Sun May 06, 2007 9:26 pm

I read some of the older posts on dreaming, and was very disturbed to read that I might quit remembering my dreams. I dream very vividly, and one of the high points of my day is laying there remembering my dreams and contemplating them. I'm constantly amazed at the creativitiy I show in my dreams. I tend to build alot of really cool houses in my dreams. They have streams running through them, multiple twists and turns (think Winchester house) and often many people living in them. Anyway, that's just one "brand" of dream I have fairly frequently.

I would miss my dreams. They are really the best part of ME. I hope CPAP doesn't destroy that. So far, so good. I had a truly lovely dream the other night that's stayed with me for a few days like a very faint whiff of perfume.

Cheers,
B.

RosemaryB · Post by **RosemaryB** » Mon May 07, 2007 8:14 am

When I was a kid, I used to have recurrent nightmares about drowning in mucus and these would wake me. This was not only when I had a cold, either. I dont' remember my dreams anymore, but do remember that I had those. Perhaps they were an indication that I had sleep apnea back then. Perhaps I was waking up because I couldn't breathe.

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