Can't get rid of CAs, is BIPAP ST the right thing for me?

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Can't get rid of CAs, is BIPAP ST the right thing for me?

Post by pcboy » Sat Mar 22, 2025 6:27 am

Hello,

My CPAP journey started in March 2024. I did a home sleep test and got 19.1 AHI. I live in Japan, they do not treat sleep apnea under 20 AHI, so the doctor refused to help.
I even struggled for months trying to find ways to improve my breathing with no success.
I then went to an ENT, who found that I have a deviated septum. We did another home sleep test. And this time I had an AHI of 15, so again, the doc can't help me.
Looking at the results of my sleep test, it seems I have more frequent CA than OA. But it's a bit difficult to say for sure as I really didn't sleep deeply during that test.
I November 2024, I achieved to smuggle a CPAP back in my luggage while traveling in Europe. I'm now the owner of a Lowenstein Prisma Smart Max.
After some self-made titration, I found my ideal pressure to be at 7.5 cmH2O. Using APAP with a larger range does not seem to give me a better AHI so far. I have almost always 0.0 OA in Oscar already with that pressure.
The problem is I'm still having quite frequent CAs. It's not abnormal for me to get around 2.5 CA/h in Oscar. And I'm still having brain fog during the day.
I also tend to have quite a bit of hypopneas, but they seem to be central hypopneas, they don't seem to go away with more pressure and EPR (or I should say more soft-pap on my lowenstein), is not helping.

Here is my last night
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You should be able to zoom more in depth on the SleepHQ link here: https://sleephq.com/public/27e9b2f6-fea ... 10ff10d053

Here is another one on March 20th, this time with more hypopneas and still 1.55/h CAs: https://sleephq.com/public/cfb1b8c9-362 ... d8e1ceaf01

Few notes:

- The Lowenstein prisma smart has something similar to EPR called soft-pap. I do not use it. I find it quite uncomfortable, as it feels like it's triggering my breath early. The few times I tried, this increased my CAs by a good margin (which is expected since it increases ventilation).
- I did try to a custom V-COM that I 3D printed (see https://www.printables.com/model/121721 ... file.HICwe) and put directly in the tube at the end of the mask (see pic https://imgur.com/56EIPWG). Interestingly, the few days I tried, this has reduced my CAs to 0.6/h (I even got 0.0 CA once). But I'm wondering if this hasn't just affected the machine algorithms and I got incorrect results. Overall I woke up with a bit of headache so the experience was not really positive.
- I did try an EERS setup with some 3D printed materials, results where not conclusive.
What was interesting was the difference in my flow rate amplitude.

Flow rate before EERS:
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Flow rate after EERS:
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Flow rate before EERS zoomed during deep sleep:
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Flow rate after EERS zoomed during deep sleep:
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My EERS setup using a F40 quiet air vent, I attached it to this post.

Problem is, My O2 ring was showing a lot more frequent O2 drops with that setup. Usually I have 0.2 drops/h, with EERS I had 2.31/h. So I stopped experimenting with that one.

Do you think a BIPAP ST would fix me? It's a significant cost and difficult for me to get so I really would like to be sure it's the right choice.

Thank you for your help.
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Re: Can't get rid of CAs, is BIPAP ST the right thing for me?

Post by Pugsy » Sat Mar 22, 2025 7:37 am

pcboy wrote:
Sat Mar 22, 2025 6:27 am
Do you think a BIPAP ST would fix me? It's a significant cost and difficult for me to get so I really would like to be sure it's the right choice.
No.

And the bulk of your centrals are arousal related in which you weren't sound asleep so those don't need to be dealt with anyway.

And it's normal to have an occasional real asleep central and nothing needs to be done about them.
You would need to average 5 centrals per hour all night long every night and they would need to be real asleep centrals and not arousal centrals.

Not to mention that there are better choices available when someone has mild OSA with some centrals should the centrals be a problem than the ST model.

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Re: Can't get rid of CAs, is BIPAP ST the right thing for me?

Post by pcboy » Sat Mar 22, 2025 9:04 pm

Thanks Pugsy. Then there is nothing much more I can do to fix my brainfog currently? At least CPAP wise. Everything seems in order and I should just wait, maybe I didn't use the CPAP for long enough?